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Thread: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Liberals do seem, in the general sense and with exceptions, to be more emotion-driven than conservatives or other ideologies.


    Emotion is not to be despised, though; it is one of the things that makes us human, along with intellect and opposable thumbs. Emotionless persons have many difficulties relating to others and to society. If humans were not sometimes motivated by emotions, by compassion, we could well end up with a very callous (if not brutal) society.

    IMHO a balance is needed, but probably a balance that leans a bit more towards logic and reason than toward emotion.
    Doubt it. Conservatives and liberals just display their emotions about different subjects. You want to see a conservative get emotional? Say you are going to raise taxes on the rich to pay for a subsidy that helps teach poor children life skills. You will see some emotions - mostly crying, bitching, and moaning - but emotions none the less.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    I'll disagree. Ever tried debating a Conservative on abortion? It's based almost exclusively on feeling. There is little scientific or philosophic evidence behind their claims. Also, I'd consider Conservatives more emotional when it impacts them as opposed to Liberals who are more emotional when it impacts others.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

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    I think that's only a problem for those who have a problem with it much in the same way your idea of having a clearly defined American culture is only a problem for those who have a problem with that. Neither is inherently problematic, but only relatively so, which, from what I've seen, is actually the basis for viewing all/many cultures as equal. The fact that cultures are only good relative to whatever perspective we have makes it more difficult and less desirable (for certain people) to elevate one above all others, particularly in a country built on more than one culture.

    I would have to disagree. I believe that some cultures are self-evidently superior to others. For instance, there's the culture of Afganistan under the Taliban, where schoolgirls were burned for daring to learn to read. There's are or have been cultures that were built on conquest and slavery, horrific exploitation of the masses by the rulers, denigration of women into virtual slavery, a general devaluation of life, disdain for education and science and progress, and so on.

    Some cultures are better at promoting the greatest good for the greatest number; some suck at it. Some cultures tolerate and even promote constant petty thievery, quasi-random acts of severe violence, unbelieveably harsh punishments for relatively minor offenses, pandemic corruption, and institutional inequality.

    In brief, some cultures are just plain ****ed up.

    Others plainly and clearly promote productivity, prosperity, peace, honesty, ethics, virtue and benevolence far more so than most.

    Another way of putting it is that some cultures are based on the best-possible solution to the Prisoner's Dilemma, and others are based on far less than optimal solutions.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Doubt it. Conservatives and liberals just display their emotions about different subjects. You want to see a conservative get emotional? Say you are going to raise taxes on the rich to pay for a subsidy that helps teach poor children life skills. You will see some emotions - mostly crying, bitching, and moaning - but emotions none the less.

    It was a general comment, and as I noted there are exceptions.

    Chiefly, in debating liberals on issues relating to war, the military, gun control, and excessive social spending I find that I often run headfirst into emotion-based arguments that are impervious to reason.

    Not to say that there aren't issues conservatives get emotional about. Patriotism is one that springs to mind.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Is this really a thread about how liberals generalize, while simultaneously generalizing liberals?
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It was a general comment, and as I noted there are exceptions.

    Chiefly, in debating liberals on issues relating to war, the military, gun control, and excessive social spending I find that I often run headfirst into emotion-based arguments that are impervious to reason.

    Not to say that there aren't issues conservatives get emotional about. Patriotism is one that springs to mind.
    Doubt it. Liberals are the first ones to invoke stats, science, education, etc. Remember, those are liberal arts, because they disagree with many of the EMOTIONAL tenets of conservatism and therefore are not excepted.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Doubt it. Liberals are the first ones to invoke stats, science, education, etc. Remember, those are liberal arts, because they disagree with many of the EMOTIONAL tenets of conservatism and therefore are not excepted.
    Problem now is that both sides have their own stats on the same thing. It's freakin' scary.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Doubt it. Liberals are the first ones to invoke stats, science, education, etc. Remember, those are liberal arts, because they disagree with many of the EMOTIONAL tenets of conservatism and therefore are not excepted.
    That hasn't been my experience. While both sides are prone to emotional reactions about certain specific topics, I have more commonly encountered liberals making arguments based on "appeal to emotion" in an absence of statistics or proof of concept, than the reverse.

    But again, it depends somewhat on the issue. Conservatives have their hot-buttons just as liberals do, but usually about different things.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Dunno, I just dislike douchebags in general.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Both sides get emotional about things.

    Conservatives? Talk about abortion, or gay marriage. Straight emotional response.

    Liberals? Talk about war, or guns. Nuthin´but emotion.

    Both sides do it, just on different subjects, and on some different levels.
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