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  • Yes, liberals are self-hating cold people.

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  • No, liberals are actually cold, and hate warm people.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

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    Anyway, New York sucks. They indoctrinate students in multiculturalism from the time you're 4-5 years old.
    That's the school system. When I was in school, we were constantly told that we're all special little snowflakes, and that we're all unique... but we're all the same. It's what you get when a system is based on egalitarianism.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    You forgot to include an option for "Rootebega" in your poll, BTW.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I am not commenting your assessment of some group of people. But, I do think that any human who thinks that they're primarily rational critter is fooling himself. IME, people are capable of rationality, but we're not rational creatures.
    Iirc, there's even been some research with brain scans etc which suggests that even though we make some decisions first and justify them later, subjectively it seems that we thought it out first and then made our decision.

    Pardon my interruption of this bait thread.
    I agree with this. And commenting within the context of this bait thread, I will also say that I think it's a pretty common thing in all ideologies for a significant number of their members to be driven by emotions when it comes to politics. Emotions often drive people and their positions on welfare, abortion, SSM, stem cell research, foreign policy and so on. In fact, I would suspect that for the majority of people, emotion is the primary driver whether it's conservative, liberal or anything else. It's rare to find people driven primarily or solely by reason which is why it's so difficult to have a logical conversation on politics with people.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Where I think multiculturalism becomes a problem is when we try to view all cultures as equal, and refuse to define a certain set of core values as distinctly American values that ought to be universal across the nation.
    I think that's only a problem for those who have a problem with it much in the same way your idea of having a clearly defined American culture is only a problem for those who have a problem with that. Neither is inherently problematic, but only relatively so, which, from what I've seen, is actually the basis for viewing all/many cultures as equal. The fact that cultures are only good relative to whatever perspective we have makes it more difficult and less desirable (for certain people) to elevate one above all others, particularly in a country built on more than one culture.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I agree with this. And commenting within the context of this bait thread, I will also say that I think it's a pretty common thing in all ideologies for a significant number of their members to be driven by emotions when it comes to politics. Emotions often drive people and their positions on welfare, abortion, SSM, stem cell research, foreign policy and so on. In fact, I would suspect that for the majority of people, emotion is the primary driver whether it's conservative, liberal or anything else. It's rare to find people driven primarily or solely by reason which is why it's so difficult to have a logical conversation on politics with people.
    Can you show how liberals are reasonable or conservatives are emotional?

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    To a limited degree, I actually agree with the OP. (Please don't hurt me!) I grew up with an Asperger's diagnosis - quiet, distant, generally wearing a neutral expression (that would be inevitably interpreted as a frown). I never had a problem with that, but a lot of other kids and adults did and would try to make me come out my shell, no matter how much I the turtle protested. From the little I could ascertain from their limited discussion of political issues, these people were indeed overwhelmingly progressives.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    I don't think either side is particularly more emotional than the other. I'll agree that some liberal impulses are based on a sense of compassion for those less fortunate. But some are quite rational. The non-crazy portions of the environmentalist movements are very rational. "If we keep screwing up the planet, we will all die." That's pretty rational. The ones who are afraid of "Frankenfood" are being quite irrational, though. But on the other side, a lot of conservatives are irrationally afraid of non-Christians. They apparently think that members of different religions must be in conflict. Then there's the coldly logical ideas of "the government spends too much money" (it does), and "we shouldn't spend more money than we have" (we shouldn't).

    I don't honestly see more or less emotion from either camp. Nor do I think emotion is necessarily bad. I think emotion and feelings can be a great source for ideas, social or political. But then those ideas need to be examined logically.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Can you show how liberals are reasonable or conservatives are emotional?
    I never made that claim.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    To a limited degree, I actually agree with the OP. (Please don't hurt me!) I grew up with an Asperger's diagnosis - quiet, distant, generally wearing a neutral expression (that would be inevitably interpreted as a frown). I never had a problem with that, but a lot of other kids and adults did and would try to make me come out my shell, no matter how much I the turtle protested. From the little I could ascertain from their limited discussion of political issues, these people were indeed overwhelmingly progressives.
    But here's the thing, I think you're pointing to particular TYPES of emotion. I would say liberals are more prone to the "mushy" emotions like empathy, sympathy and so on which is why we get the nickname "bleeding hearts" and why non-liberals tend to brush us off as "idealists" and such. However, I would say conservatives are prone to other, more hostile, types of emotions which are "colder" in nature.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    To a limited degree, I actually agree with the OP. (Please don't hurt me!) I grew up with an Asperger's diagnosis - quiet, distant, generally wearing a neutral expression (that would be inevitably interpreted as a frown). I never had a problem with that, but a lot of other kids and adults did and would try to make me come out my shell, no matter how much I the turtle protested. From the little I could ascertain from their limited discussion of political issues, these people were indeed overwhelmingly progressives.
    I have to disagree. It has nothing to do with politics, or political leans, as much as a social drive. I ****ing hate social situations. I drink alone, I only speak to others irl when there is reason to do so, and I absolutely despise having attention drawn to me by others, which results in a seething hatred of those who called the attention. I don't have birthday parties, "da club" or holiday celebrations. People of various political leans have tried, and failed to get me "out of my shell". It's a societal expectation that one be open, generous, and "chatty". Anyone who isn't is assumed to be strange, weird, or some kind of deviant. It's a view shared by the conservatives, as well as the liberals, and many others.
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