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  • No, liberals are actually cold, and hate warm people.

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Thread: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Definitely.

    There are lots of hotheaded anti-intellectual "conservatives" out there...

    ...but these people come off more as national socialists than actual conservatives. Rarely do they actually respect organic society. They expect everyone to be workaholic industrialists, and have very little respect for people who want to relax at a slower pace.

    If you've ever lived down south, this would be very obvious to you. Southern conservatives and northern "conservatives" (really just big business Rockefeller Republicans) are nothing close to the same.
    What's stranger is that although still influenced by the Left and liberalism, I am almost by virtue of geography (far northern plains state) influenced by some notions of both your southern conservatism and northern conservatism. On the whole, if I were ever to be uncomfortably placed on the conservative scale, much of it would more or less be placed in the Rockefeller Republican area. My family background is comprised of the Montana/Dakota agricultural conservative values at the same time as it is influenced by our looking back at our family traditions, which hail from CT conservative impulses which directly worked under Washington, Adams, and Hamilton. We are workaholics, but again, you have the rancher tendencies in the family tree (which although "slower pace" in terms of industry, is quite damn busy) at the same time as you have workaholic by passion and necessity.

    I guess I don't quite see my reality as southern/northern, but rather a cluster of conservative dispositions.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The jobs you would most likely be going for, not speaking english would not be a barrier. So which are you going to do Goshin, work and take care of your family, or go to classes for English?

    Isn't it funny how it is so easy to expect every one else to do more than they are willing to do themselves?
    Isn't it funny how you keep misconstruing everything I say? Or maybe not so funny.

    So it is impossible to work and take a class in the evenings, or to learn by immersion from your native speaking coworkers.... right.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    What's stranger is that although still influenced by the Left and liberalism, I am almost by virtue of geography (far northern plains state) influenced by some notions of both your southern conservatism and northern conservatism. On the whole, if I were ever to be uncomfortably placed on the conservative scale, much of it would more or less be placed in the Rockefeller Republican area. My family background is comprised of the Montana/Dakota agricultural conservative values at the same time as it is influenced by our looking back at our family traditions, which hail from CT conservative impulses which directly worked under Washington, Adams, and Hamilton. We are workaholics, but again, you have the rancher tendencies in the family tree (which although "slower pace" in terms of industry, is quite damn busy) at the same time as you have workaholic by passion and necessity.

    I guess I don't quite see my reality as southern/northern, but rather a cluster of conservative dispositions.

    I'm more of a Russell Kirk conservative. People work to live, we don't live to work.

    You've always come off as a Minnesotan progressive conservative, fiddy. It's typical for German blood out in the midwest.

    Kirk understood something special though. It doesn't matter how hard you work in the end. No matter what you do, your success is always subject to the level of magnification it's looked at. Even the whole earth is a speck in the grand scheme of the universe.

    This doesn't mean we should be fatalists and give up, but just that we should live our lives for the sake of synchronization, not magnificence.

    Likewise, when it comes to socializing, there's only so much information we can have on others, so we shouldn't try to force them towards a certain course of action.

    By relaxing, we can remain optimistic and let the better parts of their personalities come out on their own.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    I'm actually Irish/British. Irish were the generations of farmers/ranchers, and the British side were the generations of those who were politically active, be it in the national scale or the local. Both of those tendencies are still at work in my family, so there be it.

    As far as work is concerned, I came from the hardworking rancher types, but I also came from the disability community, which, on the whole, makes struggle and work necessary to be at par with the rest of the population on a large spectrum of every-day life. That, actually, informs my disposition, both conservative or liberal.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Isn't it funny how you keep misconstruing everything I say? Or maybe not so funny.

    So it is impossible to work and take a class in the evenings, or to learn by immersion from your native speaking coworkers.... right.
    No it is not impossible, but it is far from a guarantee. Your coworkers are quite possibly mostly going to be speaking Spanish, so you are not learning from them, and you quite possibly are not making enough to support your family and pay for classes, let alone have the time to attend them while working who knows how many hours and spending time with your family.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Why doesn't it even affect you if other people don't learn English? If anything, it screws them and not you.
    Business, emergency matters, evacs, all kinds of things. It's a barrier that prevents proper communication. Communication is the key element to working together. If you come to my country, and decide you don't want to communicate properly, you're effectively telling me that you don't need to be here. There are all kinds of classes and services provided that will help people learn English, regardless of legal status. There is simply no excuse to take residence in this country, and not learn. They're screwing themselves over, big time.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    One of the things liberals seem to have in common is a belief that people are naturally emotionally driven, and that anyone who isn't deserves to be suspected of guilt from the instant you meet them. If you're not active nor active in a compatible way, liberals really enjoy making a popular appeal to emotional misery, expecting those who feel differently to conform or be institutionalized.

    I suspect this is why liberals support universal health care, welfare, environmental regulation, demographic equality, and labor reform. Ultimately, it's a psychological issue. Liberals just don't understand (or care) how different people can feel differently. They don't realize how everyone isn't born with fiery emotional gumption, and resist letting "cold" people take their time, planning out how to live their own lives.

    It's like they deliberately want to sabotage cool minds in order to prevent them from getting ahead. That way, they become dependent on bureaucracy to fix their problems and help them assimilate into society. Besides, bureaucrats need jobs too. If it ain't broke, and you're a repairman, you need to break something in order to fix it.
    I would disagree with your assessment: I don't think that liberals in general are drivin by any sort of emotion, nor do they ask that other people be emotional: just ask Amy Goodman. But, like Amy Goodman, liberals are actually just having a normal reaction to unreasonable people who are ripping everybody off.
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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I would disagree with your assessment: I don't think that liberals in general are drivin by any sort of emotion, nor do they ask that other people be emotional: just ask Amy Goodman. But, like Amy Goodman, liberals are actually just having a normal reaction to unreasonable people who are ripping everybody off.
    Reasonability in that sense is emotional. It depends on what you believe is an adequate lifestyle which depends on your utility preferences.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    One of the things liberals seem to have in common is a belief that people are naturally emotionally driven, and that anyone who isn't deserves to be suspected of guilt from the instant you meet them. If you're not active nor active in a compatible way, liberals really enjoy making a popular appeal to emotional misery, expecting those who feel differently to conform or be institutionalized.

    I suspect this is why liberals support universal health care, welfare, environmental regulation, demographic equality, and labor reform. Ultimately, it's a psychological issue. Liberals just don't understand (or care) how different people can feel differently. They don't realize how everyone isn't born with fiery emotional gumption, and resist letting "cold" people take their time, planning out how to live their own lives.

    It's like they deliberately want to sabotage cool minds in order to prevent them from getting ahead. That way, they become dependent on bureaucracy to fix their problems and help them assimilate into society. Besides, bureaucrats need jobs too. If it ain't broke, and you're a repairman, you need to break something in order to fix it.
    You know, I don't see this in reality. I think the fringes of either liberalism or conservatism are emotional in their argumentation and usually ignore facts. Sensible people of either persuasion do use facts. It's not as though there are any shortage of reality-based arguments to support things like universal health care, environmental regulation, etc. You don't need to use any sort of appeal to emotion to make those arguments.

    In terms of personal disposition, I have never noticed any strong pattern that delineates liberals and conservatives. I've met people of all political persuasions who are emotional, or aloof, or anything in between.

    I would say that both of my parents are fringe people on opposite ends of the spectrum. My father is the liberal, and my mother is the conservative. Believe it or not, my dad is the aloof one, and my mother is the emotional one, so there goes your theory. I can't stand talking politics with either of them. Don't get me wrong, I love them, but seriously, I avoid politics with them like the plague.

    I think your whole post is a series of oft-repeated talking points by the mindless fringe of the conservative persuasion. A mindless fringe, by the way, that eats and breathes emotional, illogical arguments, ironically enough. You use such arguments pretty much to the exclusion of all else, in my experience. So it's almost sort of hilarious that you're making a post like this.

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    Re: Do Liberals Hate "Cold" People?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You know, I don't see this in reality. I think the fringes of either liberalism or conservatism are emotional in their argumentation and usually ignore facts. Sensible people of either persuasion do use facts. It's not as though there are any shortage of reality-based arguments to support things like universal health care, environmental regulation, etc. You don't need to use any sort of appeal to emotion to make those arguments.
    Fact based arguments are usually emotional. They assume that facts naturally reveal their importance.

    Value based argument are usually intuitive. Without stimulus, there's no activation, so you're only left with categorical judgment.

    In terms of personal disposition, I have never noticed any strong pattern that delineates liberals and conservatives. I've met people of all political persuasions who are emotional, or aloof, or anything in between.

    I would say that both of my parents are fringe people on opposite ends of the spectrum. My father is the liberal, and my mother is the conservative. Believe it or not, my dad is the aloof one, and my mother is the emotional one, so there goes your theory. I can't stand talking politics with either of them. Don't get me wrong, I love them, but seriously, I avoid politics with them like the plague.
    I'm not sure many conservatives are actually conservative today. They can be transformed into civic national socialists very easily by pressing them on labor theory of value, hard work, and work ethic. I see this a lot in New York where conservatives are becoming increasingly tolerant of social liberalism just because they want to do business. They surrender to their emotions just to stay busy, and compromise on individual freedom of assembly if that means keeping the economy on a whole rolling.

    As for your parents, I would guess your father's a liberal because he's surrendered to the system and doesn't believe he can stand on his own two feet. He's actually a conservative deep down, but pragmatism drives him otherwise.

    Likewise, your mother's probably bossy and identifies with making other people work hard to get things done. If she could have more fun, she'd be a liberal any day of the week in order to enjoy her life without paying the cost. She's just too stubborn to realize that.

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