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  • Yes, blacks have their own heritage.

    13 81.25%
  • Yes, blacks can create something else.

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  • No, blacks lack heritage.

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  • No, black identity politics depend on government.

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Thread: African American Heritage

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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Certainly, but what did MLK accomplish?
    He was a leader. He brought attention to just how ugly racial segregation was, not by urging riot or violence, but by peaceful protest. He was a uniter of people and that is very rare.

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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    More failure to actually defend one's starting premise. How do one's political and economic views cause misunderstanding of sociological questions? You know so little of the world you must lay the same lack of knowledge upon others - shame that.
    I started with a question, not a premise.

    What's a shame is you assume implicit meaning instead of evaluating what's asked in itself.

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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    He was a leader. He brought attention to just how ugly racial segregation was, not by urging riot or violence, but by peaceful protest. He was a uniter of people and that is very rare.
    Which race was segregated, and which people was united?

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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Which race was segregated, and which people was united?
    And we see the problem here. You see things in terms of race. The rest of us are seeing things in terms of people. The problem is not with the holidays you mentioned, but with your race based views. There is a reason no one is playing your juvenile games.
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And we see the problem here. You see things in terms of race. The rest of us are seeing things in terms of people. The problem is not with the holidays you mentioned, but with your race based views. There is a reason no one is playing your juvenile games.
    Without race, how is MLK's achievement valuable?

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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    If MLK Day, Black History Month, Kwanzaa, and other political "holidays" didn't exist, would African Americans have anything to celebrate?
    Black History month is just as much American history as George Washington and Ben Franklin are.It should be integrated into regular history instead of designated to just a month. MLK day is important to all Americans not just to black Americans.
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Without race, how is MLK's achievement valuable?
    A rather circular argument which Daktoria is losing but refuses to admit it. Without racial prejudice and discrimination would MLK's sacrifice been necessary?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    A rather circular argument which Daktoria is losing but refuses to admit it.
    Your intimidation tactics are laughable.

    Without racial prejudice and discrimination would MLK's sacrifice been necessary?
    Of course not. That's the problem. Blacks don't have anything else to celebrate aside from overcoming oppression.

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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You left out the most important choice, to celebrate as Americans.
    This is ALWAYS overlooked, by those trying to be "sensitive", that see them FIRST as of African origin and then add the American part. They are simply Americans that happen to be of a minority race in this country. We rarely hear of German Americans, Italian Americans or Philipino Americans and even less the term European Americans.

    The nonsense that all non-caucasians of non-hispanic descent are somehow of ONE group, is as rediculous as asserting that black Americans are now somehow FOREVER tied to Africa. Each American citizen has a UNIQUE heritage, that may or may not be traceable to, or identified with, a "special" hyphenated version of their U.S. citizenship.

    It is high time that we lose the hyphen (or prefix) and respect ALL Americans as TRUELY equal and capable of being just plain individual people who now share citizenship with ALL other Americans.
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Without race, how is MLK's achievement valuable?
    Precisely BECAUSE it was without race. That was his GOAL; to have ALL Americans viewed as ONE people without regard to race, national origin or any other hyphenated (or prefixied) nonsense. To judge each person NOT by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character, was MLK's very simple goal, he wanted no more and would settle for no less.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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