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African American Heritage

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If MLK Day, Black History Month, Kwanzaa, and other political "holidays" didn't exist, would African Americans have anything to celebrate?

Black History month is just as much American history as George Washington and Ben Franklin are.It should be integrated into regular history instead of designated to just a month. MLK day is important to all Americans not just to black Americans.
 
A rather circular argument which Daktoria is losing but refuses to admit it.

Your intimidation tactics are laughable.

Without racial prejudice and discrimination would MLK's sacrifice been necessary?

Of course not. That's the problem. Blacks don't have anything else to celebrate aside from overcoming oppression.
 
You left out the most important choice, to celebrate as Americans.

This is ALWAYS overlooked, by those trying to be "sensitive", that see them FIRST as of African origin and then add the American part. They are simply Americans that happen to be of a minority race in this country. We rarely hear of German Americans, Italian Americans or Philipino Americans and even less the term European Americans.

The nonsense that all non-caucasians of non-hispanic descent are somehow of ONE group, is as rediculous as asserting that black Americans are now somehow FOREVER tied to Africa. Each American citizen has a UNIQUE heritage, that may or may not be traceable to, or identified with, a "special" hyphenated version of their U.S. citizenship.

It is high time that we lose the hyphen (or prefix) and respect ALL Americans as TRUELY equal and capable of being just plain individual people who now share citizenship with ALL other Americans.
 
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Without race, how is MLK's achievement valuable?

Precisely BECAUSE it was without race. That was his GOAL; to have ALL Americans viewed as ONE people without regard to race, national origin or any other hyphenated (or prefixied) nonsense. To judge each person NOT by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character, was MLK's very simple goal, he wanted no more and would settle for no less.
 
Black History month is just as much American history as George Washington and Ben Franklin are.It should be integrated into regular history instead of designated to just a month. MLK day is important to all Americans not just to black Americans.


Black History Month always struck me as a bit patronizing, being that the people celebrated, in most cases, seem to be these very minor characters that no one would even likely care about, short of their skin color.
 
Certainly, but what did MLK accomplish?

The fight for a more equal just society, he lead a movement that was against poverty, war, and racism. He wanted to end the ignorant ways of segregation, hatred, for the simple reason that he is a different color of skin. He was a great leader to bring about the end of lawful segregation in the South and all over the world. He fought for a more just society and fought to end poverty. He was a huge leader in the anti-war movement as well.
If you cant see any of that then your simply blind and a bigot.
 
Since you're a socialist, I pity you for not understanding the difference between culture and ethnicity.

Here's a hint - who you are is defined beyond what you are. Historical materialism isn't the end all to be all.

MLK was a socialist as well... :roll:
 
Black History month is just as much American history as George Washington and Ben Franklin are.It should be integrated into regular history instead of designated to just a month. MLK day is important to all Americans not just to black Americans.

Sure it is. The day we drop the revisionist premise that the civil war was anything other than a war over slavery, I'll agree. Actually, the day the collective South(whether old or new) stops pretending that being a Confederate is anything other than treason, I'll agree.
 
MLK was a socialist as well... :roll:

That's understandable. It comes from his Baptist lineage which is grounded in the Protestant Work Ethic.

Ergo, it's no surprise he had such loyalty to labor theory of value, struggle, and standing up for blacks' economic plight.
 
Black History Month always struck me as a bit patronizing, being that the people celebrated, in most cases, seem to be these very minor characters that no one would even likely care about, short of their skin color.

I love the way that sheltered white folks preach to black folks about what is best for them and how they should be insulted about certain things that they are proud of. :roll:;)
 
That's understandable. It comes from his Baptist lineage which is grounded in the Protestant Work Ethic.

Ergo, it's no surprise he had such loyalty to labor theory of value, struggle, and standing up for blacks' economic plight.

Just because your Baptist does not make you all the sudden a socialist. I know many baptists, and not one of them are socialist. Most of them are conservative republicans or libertarians.
 
The question"what did MLK actually accomplish" was a good one. I remember him as a peaceful protest leader but I can't recall anything that actually changed due to his protest unlike Gandhi who made a real difference. If anyone can give some specifics I would like to see them, I always thought MLK was a great man but the quoted question has me thinking. Having said that I remember the day he was killed. I was at a friends house and when the news came on TV his mom said, "bout time somebody shot that uppity n*****". That kinda floored me.
 
I love the way that sheltered white folks preach to black folks

I grew up in a predominately black communtiy, was one of maybe a handful of white kids in a black school, and my step dad is african american. But good try, none the less

about what is best for them and how they should be insulted about certain things that they are proud of. :roll:;)

I'm not sure hiking out lord peanut does anything beyond highlighting their very marginalized status in american history. If you disagree your welcome to explain why, as opposed to getting angry and making assumptions about my race and cultural experience
 
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Just because your Baptist does not make you all the sudden a socialist. I know many baptists, and not one of them are socialist. Most of them are conservative republicans or libertarians.

Right. The Protestant Work Ethic and labor theory of value don't just apply to socialism.

Classic liberals have approved of LTV since Adam Smith, and conservatives advocate rugged individualism all the time.

Many of these will turn into national socialists when pressed, however. The only reason they remain conservative is because it's politically incorrect to be prejudiced.
 
I read these racial threads and I shake my head, I dont participate because I know its impossible to converse with anyone that has no personal first hand knowledge of what they are talking about..
Im older than most of you and I grew up with more myths and mystiques about black people than any of you have with all the education and improvements and laws....I should be the racist...Career big city cop...but Im not and I never was...and thats because I was taught by my father a simple rule....Live and let live that what he always said....If your raised a racist you have alot better chance of growing up one and viewing people through blinders...My military service and my career as a police officer and my growin up in an all mixed up neighborhood...allowed me the privledge of being around many different types of people....and Ive met many good ones that didnt look like me...and theres probably more white guys that I cant friggin stand than any other shade darker...just because theres more of us....
I dont base my racial beliefs on textbooks...political correctness...or liberal stuff...I base on WTF ive lived through and seen...I like the way I am...I dont have to walk around hating anyone...until they make me hate them
 
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I don't mind celebrating an American history that includes all history whether you're black, white, or whatever. But the attitude and notion that people should have their own official histories sanctioned by the govt is total horse**** and divisive.
 
I read these racial threads and I shake my head, I dont participate because I know its impossible to converse with anyone that has no personal first hand knowledge of what they are talking about..
Im older than most of you and I grew up with more myths and mystiques about black people than any of you have with all the education and improvements and laws....I should be the racist...Career big city cop...but Im not and I never was...and thats because I was taught by my father a simple rule....Live and let live that what he always said....If your raised a racist you have alot better chance of growing up one and viewing people through blinders...My military service and my career as a police officer and my growin up in an all mixed up neighborhood...allowed me the privledge of being around many different types of people....and Ive met many good ones that didnt look like me...and theres probably more white guys that I cant friggin stand than any other shade darker...just because theres more of us....
I dont base my racial beliefs on textbooks...political correctness...or liberal stuff...I base on WTF ive lived through and seen...I like the way I am...I dont have to walk around hating anyone...until they make me hate them

That is all quite true, yet the OTHER side of that is giving an excuse to any group based on "historic" bias factors is also terribly wrong and demeaning. If one EXPECTS a lower standard of achievement/behavior then that is often a self fulfilling prophecy. I am sick of excusing unacceptable social behavior based on race, there is no racial "reason" for (not) using profanity in public, or (not) being intentionally rude, loud and obnoxious in public. I have been threatened for merely asking that loud profanity be ceased in my presense and that of my children, and have often been accused of being racist for even pointing it out, even though I do this for ALL who exhibit such rude behavior (most were white morons). I find this use, by those blacks, of the "race card" sickening and offensive, as if they are OWED some special privilege based on their race being different than mine, as if I am acting "too white". At least "rednecks" do not USUALLY accuse my manners of being "yankee like", or any other such nonsense, and they most often do not respond with threats, but appologize and accept my request to tone it down a bit.
 
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The question"what did MLK actually accomplish" was a good one. I remember him as a peaceful protest leader but I can't recall anything that actually changed due to his protest unlike Gandhi who made a real difference. If anyone can give some specifics I would like to see them, I always thought MLK was a great man but the quoted question has me thinking. Having said that I remember the day he was killed. I was at a friends house and when the news came on TV his mom said, "bout time somebody shot that uppity n*****". That kinda floored me.

*cough *Civil Rights Act of 1964* cough*
 
I don't mind celebrating an American history that includes all history whether you're black, white, or whatever. But the attitude and notion that people should have their own official histories sanctioned by the govt is total horse**** and divisive.

Sure is. When are they going to start teaching Native American history in schools? Actually - when are we going to start teaching that George Washington was the slave owning father of a nation who allowed Natives to be massacred? When are we going to start teaching that the guys who wrote "all men are created equal" really meant: all white protestant men of legal age are created equal? Or are we only going to start teaching the revisionist nonsense you believe in?

I'll make you a deal - when we start teaching a history that is not only non-rhetorical and concise but also inclusive of relevant aspects - you can preach to us about the "divisiveness" of teaching history that isn't white washed. Until then, hey, I'll guess I'll keep Black History Month and you can keep your creationism and beliefs that the FFs were demigods.
 
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You mean the civil rights act where Johnson said

"I'll have them n****** voting Democratic for the next two hundred years."

That civil rights act? :lol:

Johnson was a cyncial racist for signing the Civil Rights Act...Lincoln was an American hero for signing the Emancipation Proclamation, because he did it out of the goodness of his heart.
 
Sure it is. The day we drop the revisionist premise that the civil war was anything other than a war over slavery, I'll agree. Actually, the day the collective South(whether old or new) stops pretending that being a Confederate is anything other than treason, I'll agree.

So your saying that the contributions of black historical figures had no impact on what this country is today? Are you saying that the civil war wouldn't have happened if the south banned slavery and still separated? I noticed that the US didn't go after any other country for practicing slavery after the civil war was over.
 
You mean the civil rights act where Johnson said

"I'll have them n****** voting Democratic for the next two hundred years."

That civil rights act? :lol:

Since LBJ never said any such thing, I must assume the commenter hasn't studied 'real' American history. The relevant comment from the "racist" LBJ after he had signed the Civil Rights Bill was "We have lost the South for a generation."
 
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