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  • Yes, blacks have their own heritage.

    13 81.25%
  • Yes, blacks can create something else.

    1 6.25%
  • No, blacks lack heritage.

    0 0%
  • No, black identity politics depend on government.

    2 12.50%
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your link simply repeats your previous post. It provides not a single incident of me abusing the accusation of racism.
    I fail to see what else the insinuation "that I don't believe racism exists" is meant to convey.
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So your saying that the contributions of black historical figures had no impact on what this country is today?
    No, I'm saying that the American way of teaching history doesn't teach about African Americans and the impact we've had. Which is why we have moronic right wingers who claim that the civil war was about taxes or some other crazy **** against all evidence pointing to the contrary.

    Actually, our "history" classes are white washed versions where we learn that George Washington was a really good guy who wanted freedom for all Americans and ra-ra-rah with a 6 pack and a shotgun. If people had a grasp of US history beyond the greatest hits album which is presented as "fact", we'd have less right wingers spewing stupid **** like "Hey! You can always go back to Africa!"

    Are you saying that the civil war wouldn't have happened if the south banned slavery and still separated?
    No.

    I noticed that the US didn't go after any other country for practicing slavery after the civil war was over.
    Of course it didn't. Actually, it never has. Which is why we still do deals with countries where slavery is still around. Liberia and Benin come to mind.
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Then again, you probably meant to use "revisionism" in a negative sense, which was a response of historical discipline conservatives against the Marxist historians.
    I wouldn't say Marxist historians. I reject progressive and romantic interpretations of history mostly because of their very simplistic raisons d'etre. It's not enough to analyze history through singular vacuumed interpretations of a materialist or emotional perspective. Both should be taken into consideration.
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Is this supposed to be a joke? I agree that Lincoln was a great President but the Emancipation Proclamation was a purely political move on his part. It only freed the slaves in the Confederate states and not in those slave-owning states that sided with the Union.

    LBJ was far less cynical in supporting civil rights because he was quite aware of the political consequences
    It was sarcasm. Republicans love to lay claim to Abe Lincoln when it comes to freeing the slaves, but guys like sawyer try to pain LBJ as a cynical politician for doing his part for oppressed people in the US; so Lincoln was 100% good because he was a Republican who did something for oppressed blacks, but LBJ was just a Democrat searching for the nigger vote when he signed the Civil Rights Act. It's hypocrisy.

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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    It was sarcasm. Republicans love to lay claim to Abe Lincoln when it comes to freeing the slaves, but guys like sawyer try to pain LBJ as a cynical politician for doing his part for oppressed people in the US; so Lincoln was 100% good because he was a Republican who did something for oppressed blacks, but LBJ was just a Democrat searching for the nigger vote when he signed the Civil Rights Act. It's hypocrisy.
    The best part is that they'll turn around with the same hypocrisy, claim Lincoln didn't free a single slave with the E.P., tell you that the civil war wasn't about slavery and defend the "States right" to own slaves. It's like watching a dog eat its own tail.
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I fail to see what else the insinuation "that I don't believe racism exists" is meant to convey.
    where was that stated?
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    where was that stated?
    it's in the link I have already provided to you, twice

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060670336

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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    it's in the link I have already provided to you, twice

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060670336
    Are you claiming that I stated something about racism not existing or that you stated this?

    Is this quote of mine something you have trouble with?

    The so called race card was minted by the right wing through their own racist beliefs and policies. It exists only because racists invented it, created it, coined it and made it possible. To remind people of the real existence of racism and its effects IS NOT playing any such card however. It is merely invoking reality. And that goes directly against the right wing cause celebre to take the very topic of racism off the table since it hurts them and makes them look bad.
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are you claiming that I stated something about racism not existing or that you stated this?

    *le'sigh*

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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    *le'sigh*

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    It appears that you have confused yourself.
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