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  • Yes, blacks have their own heritage.

    13 81.25%
  • Yes, blacks can create something else.

    1 6.25%
  • No, blacks lack heritage.

    0 0%
  • No, black identity politics depend on government.

    2 12.50%
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I was talking about his skit from bring the pain, not the one from kill the messenger. Also, seems rather odd, and pointless, to get upset over someone using the colloquial title of a skit. It's like all the outrage over Gwyneth Paltrow tweeting niggas in paris

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    ...and so on are all a part of the American cultural experience reflecting the diverse heritages, cultures and histories of the American people that we ALL honor and celebrate. I don't see why Martin Luther King Day and Black History Month should be singled out as somehow bad for America under an argument that because they reflect heritage of the black community its a waste of time. You cannot talk about black history in America without honoring Eleanor Roosevelt, John Brown, Abraham Lincoln, Lyndon Johnson, John F Kennedy, Viola Liuzzo, Jonathan Myrick Daniels, Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings. Maybe we just need to change the name to something else.

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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    St. Patrick's Day
    Thanksgiving
    China Town
    Little Italy
    Cinco de Mayo
    The National Holocaust Museum
    The Jewish Anti-Defamation League
    Oktoberfest
    Marti Gras
    The French Quarter

    ...and so on are all a part of the American cultural experience reflecting the diverse heritages, cultures and histories of the American people that we ALL honor and celebrate. I don't see why Martin Luther King Day and Black History Month should be singled out as somehow bad for America under an argument that because they reflect heritage of the black community its a waste of time. You cannot talk about black history in America without honoring Eleanor Roosevelt, John Brown, Abraham Lincoln, Lyndon Johnson, John F Kennedy, Viola Liuzzo, Jonathan Myrick Daniels, Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings. Maybe we just need to change the name to something else.
    Not really sure what the above has to do with my post, but my earlier criticism was limited to black history month, and the penchant to hike out minor historical figures, as "filler" for the holiday

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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Not really sure what the above has to do with my post, but my earlier criticism was limited to black history month, and the penchant to hike out minor historical figures, as "filler" for the holiday
    That's true...why should we have a black history month when there's such a huge societal and economic cost. I mean it's obvious that the existence of a black history month has such an adverse impact on you and other individuals lives. How could it not! I mean...you have to watch commercials that will mention it, the history channel always has programs on historical black figures.. It's ridiculous!
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    That's true...why should we have a black history month when there's such a huge societal and economic cost. I mean it's obvious that the existence of a black history month has such an adverse impact on you and other individuals lives. How could it not! I mean...you have to watch commercials that will mention it, the history channel always has programs on historical black figures.. It's ridiculous!

    As a reply to what i just wrote your post makes little sense. 1) criticizing something isn't the same as demanding something ends 2) my criticism had little to do with personal hardship, and the same is true of some supposed "huge societal and economic cost"
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you claimed that the term 'race card" was a tool to marginalize real racism , I pointed out that this assumption was false(http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060670026). You response was "now that I need to prove such an accusation was disingenuous. My reply was to point out that the mere accusation of racism isn't actually proof of racism, and that it's still dependent on the claimant to prove it's veracity(http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060670040)

    so not only was there no claim of "racism not existing" on my part, but the accusation makes absolutely no sense in the context of our discussion, and seems to be the type of baseless brow beating, hinging on accusations of racism, that generally exemplify what cpwill would refer to as "the race-card"

    rather ironic folding of events, to say the least...







    Actually I pointed out that highlighting disingenuous accusations of racism =/= claiming racism doesn't exist. If you took that as a personal accusation against something you stated here, that is little fault of mine
    You seem to either be missing the point or oblivious to it and instead pursuing your own peculiar ends and goals.

    My point was clear: over the last decade or two, there has been a concerted effort from the right to attempt to remove or seriously minimize the mention of the term RACISM and to accuse most people who talk about it (as many here do often and frequently) of playing "the race card". There is no shortage of posts on this very site which have done this and almost all come from the right.

    I then pointed out that if there is a "race card" it was printed and given gravitas by the racist themselves through their polices, their activities and their beliefs over a period of time throughout American history.
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You seem to either be missing the point or oblivious to it and instead pursuing your own peculiar ends and goals.

    My point was clear: over the last decade or two, there has been a concerted effort from the right to attempt to remove or seriously minimize the mention of the term RACISM and to accuse most people who talk about it (as many here do often and frequently) of playing "the race card".
    none of which would change the fact that there are clear instances of people abusing the accusation of racism, like in your above post

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    There is no shortage of posts on this very site which have done this and almost all come from the right.
    and such is not mutually exclusive to legitimate cases, of people using the "the race card", existing

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    I then pointed out that if there is a "race card" it was printed and given gravitas by the racist themselves through their polices, their activities and their beliefs over a period of time throughout American history.
    again, I'm not following the reasoning here: are you saying it's racist to point out that someone is disingenuously using racial accusations for political purposes? That doesn't make sense

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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sure is. When are they going to start teaching Native American history in schools? Actually - when are we going to start teaching that George Washington was the slave owning father of a nation who allowed Natives to be massacred? When are we going to start teaching that the guys who wrote "all men are created equal" really meant: all white protestant men of legal age are created equal? Or are we only going to start teaching the revisionist nonsense you believe in?

    I'll make you a deal - when we start teaching a history that is not only non-rhetorical and concise but also inclusive of relevant aspects - you can preach to us about the "divisiveness" of teaching history that isn't white washed. Until then, hey, I'll guess I'll keep Black History Month and you can keep your creationism and beliefs that the FFs were demigods.
    I find it curious your use of "revisionist," since the examples you provide became the backbone for a revisionist history that rejected older narratives about the US. The revision came from a perspective which you yourself employ, not really the other way around. Then again, you probably meant to use "revisionism" in a negative sense, which was a response of historical discipline conservatives against the Marxist historians.
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    none of which would change the fact that there are clear instances of people abusing the accusation of racism, like in your above post



    and such is not mutually exclusive to legitimate cases, of people using the "the race card", existing



    again, I'm not following the reasoning here: are you saying it's racist to point out that someone is disingenuously using racial accusations for political purposes? That doesn't make sense
    Did I miss the part where you actually reprinted where I "abused the accusation of racism"? I must have missed that and apparently so did you.
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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Did I miss the part where you actually reprinted where I "abused the accusation of racism"?
    yes, because I clearly provided it above

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060670336

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    Re: African American Heritage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    yes, because I clearly provided it above

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060670336
    Your link simply repeats your previous post. It provides not a single incident of me abusing the accusation of racism.
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