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    Re: Will Obama be re-elected in November if the unemployment rate stays over 8%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Attached is an interesting article about why US unemployment will remain so high. If true it could explain why Obama's attitude to reign in corporate America quickly changed after being elected POTUS.

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article31909.html
    Interesting article, let me quote from it:

    Let’s take a look at each of these misguided viewpoints. Establishment economists working for the left-wing contingency of America’s fascist government claim that the high unemployment rate is merely a consequence of cyclical unemployment, which is related to changes in demand that occur through business and economic cycles. During the first two years of the Obama presidency, the cyclical unemployment argument was unanimously accepted.

    In contrast, establishment economists working for the right-wing contingency of America’s fascist government claim that the persistently high unemployment rate seen in the U.S. is due to structural factors. Thus, according to these hacks, the lack of growth is due to what is known as structural unemployment. More recently, the structural unemployment argument has been disseminated for the sole purpose of increasing the momentum of the Republican Party going into the 2012 elections.
    Not only is he building straw men here, he is throwing out ad homs in a hysterically over the top manner. This article is proof that even idiots can own a blog.
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    Re: Will Obama be re-elected in November if the unemployment rate stays over 8%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Attached is an interesting article about why US unemployment will remain so high. If true it could explain why Obama's attitude to reign in corporate America quickly changed after being elected POTUS.

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article31909.html
    I tried to get through this article. I really did. I think I got as far as the fact that the Jewish mafia runs the president and Kennedy was killed because he wouldn't bow down.

    Unemployment will remain high. Fact is, there is no quick fix. There are bad fixes like the the last stimulus and other plans I have seen put forward. The best answer, imo, is to stop with the class warfare drama, stop spending so ridiculously much on wasteful programs, and improve welfare/unemployment programs. This requires accepting that no answer will suddenly bring wealth and a 3% unemployment rate back.

    I don't know what it means for the election, though. I find it hard to guess anything with this stuff. I was at a dear friend's house yesterday and when the usual anti-Romney rhetoric came on tv, she gave me the list of Democratic talking points like she was reading a prompter. Then when the 14.4 unemployment rating came on for blacks, it was all about how Bush caused that. I didn't correct her or debate, but her entire household believed that stuff. I have seen similar things with right wing talking points among other business owners. Seems like it will just be another competition for who can energize their base more this time around.
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    Re: Will Obama be re-elected in November if the unemployment rate stays over 8%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I tried to get through this article. I really did. I think I got as far as the fact that the Jewish mafia runs the president and Kennedy was killed because he wouldn't bow down.
    I missed that, but you are right, it is in there. ****ing hilarious.

    Unemployment will remain high. Fact is, there is no quick fix. There are bad fixes like the the last stimulus and other plans I have seen put forward. The best answer, imo, is to stop with the class warfare drama, stop spending so ridiculously much on wasteful programs, and improve welfare/unemployment programs. This requires accepting that no answer will suddenly bring wealth and a 3% unemployment rate back.

    I don't know what it means for the election, though. I find it hard to guess anything with this stuff. I was at a dear friend's house yesterday and when the usual anti-Romney rhetoric came on tv, she gave me the list of Democratic talking points like she was reading a prompter. Then when the 14.4 unemployment rating came on for blacks, it was all about how Bush caused that. I didn't correct her or debate, but her entire household believed that stuff. I have seen similar things with right wing talking points among other business owners. Seems like it will just be another competition for who can energize their base more this time around.
    Improving welfare/unemployment problems really does not solve any problems. While infrastructure is transient jobs, there is a ton of that type work that will need to be done, so why not knock it out now, create some jobs, and down the road have less to spend on that type thing?
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    Re: Will Obama be re-elected in November if the unemployment rate stays over 8%?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I missed that, but you are right, it is in there. ****ing hilarious.
    I had to read it twice to be sure I wasn't imagining it.

    Improving welfare/unemployment problems really does not solve any problems. While infrastructure is transient jobs, there is a ton of that type work that will need to be done, so why not knock it out now, create some jobs, and down the road have less to spend on that type thing?
    Improving welfare/unemployment is one item in a list of things that need doing. I don't want the programs gone or expanded, but improved. There needs to be better encouragement to get jobs and training. Why not give them the money they would get on those programs for working as an apprentice or journeyman? You could get those roads built with that labor. This is just one suggestion. Handouts don't do much by themselves, but coupled with other productive measures, they might do some good.

    As for infrastructure spending, I'm all for it. The problem is it tends to be executed in such a wasteful manner that we end up paying outrageous amounts for everything and producing jobs at an astronomical cost per job. I know it's predictable for someone who follows libertarian beliefs to suggest this, but I do think we should privatize those programs. Let companies hurting for work bid for road construction and part of that bid should include how many jobs they will create and how much each job will pay. Less money to the bureaucrats and more to the companies and people in need. You also get increased efficiency out of the deal.

    I imagine we have the same goals, but will again find we like different paths to get there.
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    Re: Will Obama be re-elected in November if the unemployment rate stays over 8%?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I predict, out of desperation, that Obama will start a war with Iran, to "unite" the country, keep the economy off of page one and get the folks all riled up with the usual chants of USA, USA, USA...
    I hope you were being sarcastic. Obama would not start war with Iran assuming he keeps on the same line as his foreign policy has been
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    Re: Will Obama be re-elected in November if the unemployment rate stays over 8%?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Will Obama be re-elected in November if the unemployment rate stays over 8%?
    Yes, because Obama is not a Republican. The Repubians are done for a while.
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    Re: Will Obama be re-elected in November if the unemployment rate stays over 8%?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes. Romney is such a lousy candidate that Obama would have to royally **** up in order for Romney to win.The republicans handed Obama 2012.
    who was a better candidate? no one with a brain believes batgirl, the slimy salamander or Santorum (what a loon-his abortion position made my uber far right wife almost hurl) were better.

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    Re: Will Obama be re-elected in November if the unemployment rate stays over 8%?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yes, because Obama is not a Republican. The Repubians are done for a while.

    LOL its good seeing the clearly wrong position proclaimed so boldly. Right now I think its a toss up. Obama has the MSM on his side along with the fact that almost half the country are sucking on the public tit. plus lots of rich net tax payers become more wealthy when the dems are in power and government is bigger (trial lawyers, union bosses, those who make money off of the poverty-welfare business)

    what is working against Obama is his record, his lack of competence and the fact that the main reason people voted for him is generally not sustainable.

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    Re: Will Obama be re-elected in November if the unemployment rate stays over 8%?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yes, because Obama is not a Republican. The Repubians are done for a while.
    Just like they were '10? Romney out-raised Obama in May and raised over 4m within 24 hours of the healthcare ruling... I don't think Republicans are done yet
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    Re: Will Obama be re-elected in November if the unemployment rate stays over 8%?

    If Obama is re-elected IMHO it will be due large part to the culture of group identity interestingly driven to a large degree by prominent Republicans. They've made the political debate not about the issues but about the the personalities and groups. When they did get around to talking about the issues, very often if was done so in a way that paints large voting blocks as the enemy from cracking down on Hispanics to women who what family planning services included in their healthcare are a bunch of (expletives) to any time kids get into an after school fight its an Obama inspired race war. Even if you want to focus on the issues as a voter its difficult not to think in doing so you're adding your endorsement to highly insulting rhetoric of the past 4 years directed at them.

    I also think team Obama has done a good job at making Ronmey's solutions to the economic problems as moving more jobs overseas and cut salaries and benefits so that the stick holders can get paid more.
    Last edited by Smeagol; 07-08-12 at 12:42 AM.

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