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    Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, I totally agree. I wouldn't want to go back to the middle ages for anything. The groups you mention are interesting, if a little bit wacky. There are also people who seem to think that anything from the past is better and that the word is headed for catastrophe, would want to go off and live in their own little enclave, grow their own food, be rugged individualists, divorce themselves from the modern world. All that is totally unrealistic, of course.
    I enjoy a good steampunk novel as much as the next person, but a lot of people seem to forget this sort of thing is fantasy (in more ways than just the artistic licensing with the technology).

    In reality, people were too busy dying of syphilis or being publicly whipped to admire the aesthetics of steam engines. And that's just 150 years ago. The further back you go, the uglier it gets. By the time you get back to hunter-gatherer societies, you would be killed or starve to death so fast that you wouldn't even have time to die of syphilis.

    Humans are less violent, more productive, happier, better educated, more free, and less diseased than ever before.

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    Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, I totally agree. I wouldn't want to go back to the middle ages for anything. The groups you mention are interesting, if a little bit wacky. There are also people who seem to think that anything from the past is better and that the word is headed for catastrophe, would want to go off and live in their own little enclave, grow their own food, be rugged individualists, divorce themselves from the modern world. All that is totally unrealistic, of course.
    The Amish did it. That said, there's no ****ing way in hell I'd ever choose that kind of life. Ruggedness is for the weekends, when there's actual time to shoot stuff, light a bonfire, and grill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The old homesteading methods are extremely costly in today's world Have you checked the price of land lately? Further, few of us are really willing to go back to working from dawn to dusk just to keep food on the table, living without electricity, let alone the internet. No, going back isn't going to be an option for most of us.
    In the absence of other options, it becomes the only remaining option. Converting overnight to a full time homesteader would involve substantial investments that most people who would most benefit from it are not prepared to immediately make. But the real issue is your second point, which is that people aren't willing to even think about that transition, much less start working toward it. It's not that it isn't an option, it's that people don't have the motivation to consider or pursue it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    The Amish did it. That said, there's no ****ing way in hell I'd ever choose that kind of life. Ruggedness is for the weekends, when there's actual time to shoot stuff, light a bonfire, and grill.
    The more pessimistic your long-term global economic outlook, the more appealing the upsides of a poorer but more self-sufficient lifestyle become. It's basically a bet on collapse. If you believe debt doesn't really matter anymore and have faith we'll collectively "figure something out when the time comes," you probably will have no motivation to consider that lifestyle, and should invest in a specialized education for yourself and be heavy and long on stocks. If you think we're completely ****ed, you're more likely to see genius in doomsday preparedness, homesteading and voluntarily meager lifestyles.

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    Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    In order...


    1. Pacifism.

    2. Veganism.

    3. Lawyers.





    Two out of three ain't bad.

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    Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, I totally agree. I wouldn't want to go back to the middle ages for anything. The groups you mention are interesting, if a little bit wacky. There are also people who seem to think that anything from the past is better and that the word is headed for catastrophe, would want to go off and live in their own little enclave, grow their own food, be rugged individualists, divorce themselves from the modern world. All that is totally unrealistic, of course.
    I believe the world is "possibly" headed for catastrophe but most likely it isn't. Recently, I've been taking some primitive skills classes. Last week, I learned how to make a bow drill and start a fire without lighter fluid or a match. Loved it. Do I want to heat and cook like that every day? Hell No! I like doing things on the computer too much. But I think we should never forget how to live simply. I don't think things are going to go bad for the human race tomorrow, but we should never forget how to do things on a simple level. Homesteading as a day-to-day lifestyle strikes me as a little too hardcore and over the top, but the periodic foray into simple living as a hobby makes perfect sense to me.
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    Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The more pessimistic your long-term global economic outlook, the more appealing the upsides of a poorer but more self-sufficient lifestyle become.
    Don't get me wrong, economically, I believe we're screwed. However, we always find a way to come back from it. I'm just not sweating it because I've been through all kinds of crap. I'll survive, even if it means some level of discomfort.

    It's basically a bet on collapse. If you believe debt doesn't really matter anymore and have faith we'll collectively "figure something out when the time comes," you probably will have no motivation to consider that lifestyle, and should invest in a specialized education for yourself and be heavy and long on stocks. If you think we're completely ****ed, you're more likely to see genius in doomsday preparedness, homesteading and voluntarily meager lifestyles.
    I'm just enjoying my basic comforts while I have them. No point in getting riled up over a maybe. Maybe we go into full economic collapse, and we end up going back to the days of carpet baggers and dust bowls, and maybe we don't. I'll be fine either way, so I'm not worried about it.
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    Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I believe the world is "possibly" headed for catastrophe but most likely it isn't. Recently, I've been taking some primitive skills classes. Last week, I learned how to make a bow drill and start a fire without lighter fluid or a match. Loved it. Do I want to heat and cook like that every day? Hell No! I like doing things on the computer too much. But I think we should never forget how to live simply. I don't think things are going to go bad for the human race tomorrow, but we should never forget how to do things on a simple level. Homesteading as a day-to-day lifestyle strikes me as a little too hardcore and over the top, but the periodic foray into simple living as a hobby makes perfect sense to me.
    Oh, there's nothing wrong with knowing some survival skills, maybe growing a garden in the back yard, doing some camping, and so on.

    Still, when I go camping, at least away from the road where gear has to be carried, I'll go with a modern backpacker stove and freeze dried packaged stuff every time.
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    Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Still, when I go camping, at least away from the road where gear has to be carried, I'll go with a modern backpacker stove and freeze dried packaged stuff every time.
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    Re: The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I don't think we consciously chose that one, did we?
    Mostly we did. Our stagnation wasn't spurred by natural forces, humanity's impulse is to push forward. But it was artificially stifled through overbearing theocracy.
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