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Thread: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    before the great society, black rates of illegitimacy were in the single digits-close to whites
    now-its over 70%
    Yep. It was unintended, or so it is said, but the results are clear, since 1960 the out of wedlock childbirth rate has soared from 5% to 70% and can be directly mapped to the "great society" welfare programs. The war on poverty succeeded only in spending TRILLIONS to move the U.S. poverty rate from 12% to 15%, at an average ANNUAL cost of over well over $7,500 per person.

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    racial scapegoating....
    when we have at least 100 years of true equal rights and equality for all races, then you can try and make such arguments.
    Only 40 years ago minorities were openly being denied the same job opportunities and pay that whites were getting with little effort on their part. I went to 3 very good Navy schools between 1965 and 1970, not one black person in them. It wasn't due to inferior intellect either. Once the door finally swung open a bid wider and discrimination was lessened, there were plenty of "other than white" qualified applicants to those Navy schools...
    That equality door is still yet to be fully open for all, there is still plenty of discrimination, it is just hidden or disguised better...
    That is PURE BS. Racial discrimination did not INCREASE after 1960, yet welfare spending certainly did. Are you SERIOUSLY asserting that racial discrimination is responsible for ALL increases in out of wedlock childbirth, SINCE 1960? It has gone UP for ALL racial and ethnic groups in DIRECT proportion to their receipt of welfare. The "coincidence" is simply astounding if that was NOT the cause. Get real!
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would be happy to look at the data you would like to present on this issue.
    The plight of blacks males, including the very high rate of crime and their over-representation in the prison population, in the U.S. is almost entirely due to the "great society" welfare programs and their DIRECT (yet unintended?) consequences. One need only look at the FACTS. Black out of wedlock childbirth went from about 5% in 1960 to about 70% today. The black male is nearly useless ECONOMICALLY to the black "familiy" of today, he has been replaced by welfare in all of its many forms. A good book on this subject is "Losing Ground", by Charles Murray. The black daddy is now a financial liability, especially if he works, to his own children. Household income is used to assign welfare benefits, the less income there is, the more the gov't benefits there are, so a black, live-in daddy, even working TWO full-time, minimum wage jobs, offers his children LESS than welfare, in all of its many forms, does. Other supporting links follow:

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db18.pdf

    http://misunderstoodfinance.blogspot...rities-of.html

    http://www.cato.org/research/pr-nd-st.html

    http://waysandmeans.house.gov/Upload..._Testimony.pdf

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is PURE BS. Racial discrimination did not INCREASE after 1960, yet welfare spending certainly did. Are you SERIOUSLY asserting that racial discrimination is responsible for ALL increases in out of wedlock childbirth, SINCE 1960? It has gone UP for ALL racial and ethnic groups in DIRECT proportion to their receipt of welfare. The "coincidence" is simply astounding if that was NOT the cause. Get real!
    I didn't say it increased, I said it hasn't decreased enough...
    if the only way you could get income is to have a baby out of wedlock and go on welfare, you would be flat on your back in a heartbeat.
    I used to skip school in northeast Houston, and take the bus down town Houston, and the route went right thru black occupied slums.
    Nobody lives like that by CHOICE.....Racism was rampant then, has lessened some since, but it is still there.
    Hispanics didn't have it much better...
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tell that to the people who claim that many people shouldn't have to pay income taxes.
    Since when was income tax the only tax that funded the government?
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Since when was income tax the only tax that funded the government?
    It isn't but its the main tax that is used as a political football and it is the main source of power that congress gets through manipulating the tax system

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    It isn't but its the main tax that is used as a political football and it is the main source of power that congress gets through manipulating the tax system
    That's because people are ignorant. Payroll taxes bring in nearly the same amount and Congress monkeys around with that all the time. And congress gets a HUGE amount of power by manipulating the corporate code. The past 11 years has been nothing but screwing with the corporate code to favor certain industries.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That's because people are ignorant. Payroll taxes bring in nearly the same amount and Congress monkeys around with that all the time. And congress gets a HUGE amount of power by manipulating the corporate code. The past 11 years has been nothing but screwing with the corporate code to favor certain industries.
    when you have presidential campaigns making the payroll tax a major campaign issue i might find this true. Right now Obama's main campaign issue is whining about the rich and making them pay more taxes. I agree with the corporate code but then again I for the life of me cannot find many advertisements from Romney or the turd in the white house making much of that though Romney has said that we need to make America more friendly towards American business

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The libertarian right simply cannot pass up any opportunity - even a weak one - to further the cause celebre of attacking Franklin Roosevelt.
    I attack him at every opportunity. What he did to the nation then is the reason we have so many problems involving liberty today. If there is a Hell justice would put him there.

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I attack him at every opportunity. What he did to the nation then is the reason we have so many problems involving liberty today. If there is a Hell justice would put him there.
    ITs too bad he didn't croak about 11 years earlier-our country would be far better off now

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