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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lets talk about your hated enemies marching in the army of Satan on the far left. I know of not one person who is progressive, liberal or on the left who wants their kids to be dependent on government welfare programs. Not a one. Your characterization is to be so wrong that it is the equal of the Flat earth buffoons.

    As far as the rich hurting their children - America is a nation where men and women can hope to become all they can be and realize their true potential. The way to do this is through hard work, self discovery, rick taking, cooperation with others, playing fair and building skills and talents. What you fail to realize is that when a rich person endows their children with trusts and inheritance they are in effect denying them the opportunity to become self made men and women. They are handicapping them in a way which will haunt them forever.

    The trust fund baby may have dollars and wealth, but when they close that door and look in the mirror they see as pampered and privileged elitist starting back who had it all handed to them on a silver platter. That does not make for strong individuals nor does it make for a good nation to have such fops depleting our precious moral fiber with their personal weakness.

    It must be sad to go through life knowing that most of what you have is because Daddy gave it to you. I would much rather look in the mirror and see a self made man or woman who did it their way.


    "I CANNOT BELIEVE NIXON WON, EVERYONE I KNOW VOTED FOR MCGOVERN

    What you fail to understand is that many of the tough but underpaid jobs that need to be done are often done by those who can afford to do so. For example, take my late mother who worked 60 hours a week without pay running several organizations as a volunteer. The Headmaster at my old high school worked there 40 years-he donated his salary back to the school to fund scholarships of kids who couldn't afford the place but were excellent students.


    Your poisoned view of the wealthy is hilarious. And yes, your party has created a system designed to addict millions to the government teat and it is your party that pays people to have children out of wedlock thus encouraging the teat sucklers to breed like rabbits.

    you spew garbage about hard work when your party has done everything possible to denigrate hard work and the benefits that come from it. as in noted, your only consistency is whining about the rich and making up fanciful myths about those whose parents were prosperous and frugal on behalf of their children


    If you don't want to leave your children anything that is your right. But we tire of your silly attempts to put down those who do and to pretend you know what is best for our children

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    "I CANNOT BELIEVE NIXON WON, EVERYONE I KNOW VOTED FOR MCGOVERN

    What you fail to understand is that many of the tough but underpaid jobs that need to be done are often done by those who can afford to do so. For example, take my late mother who worked 60 hours a week without pay running several organizations as a volunteer. The Headmaster at my old high school worked there 40 years-he donated his salary back to the school to fund scholarships of kids who couldn't afford the place but were excellent students.


    Your poisoned view of the wealthy is hilarious. And yes, your party has created a system designed to addict millions to the government teat and it is your party that pays people to have children out of wedlock thus encouraging the teat sucklers to breed like rabbits.

    you spew garbage about hard work when your party has done everything possible to denigrate hard work and the benefits that come from it. as in noted, your only consistency is whining about the rich and making up fanciful myths about those whose parents were prosperous and frugal on behalf of their children


    If you don't want to leave your children anything that is your right. But we tire of your silly attempts to put down those who do and to pretend you know what is best for our children
    Regarding your mothers work - good for her. That is neat. You should be proud of her.

    But that does nothing to negate what I wrote. You have a terrible skewed view of people whom you regard as your political and social enemies. You are so removed from that reality that you may as well be talking about aliens on some other planet because you do not even live in the same America as most others do.

    I challenge you to show Democratic Party support for having children out of wedlock. Back up what you say with verifiable evidence from objective sources.

    We are NOT talking about helping your kids. We are talking about an American aristocracy which was born on third base and thinks they have hit a home run when they cross the plate and the servants are paid to cheer. They develop a terribly false impression of themselves and the world they live in. They then grow up to write posts like you do totally divorced and separated from the vast vast majority of the American people.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lets talk about your hated enemies marching in the army of Satan on the far left. I know of not one person who is progressive, liberal or on the left who wants their kids to be dependent on government welfare programs. Not a one.
    There may be some truth to that. Leftists dont want their children living in squalor and addicted to handouts. But they do want such state run programs to exist and to be funded by someone other than themselves. What makes the "enemies marching in the army of Satan on the far left" evil is not their ends, but the means they employ to achieve those ends. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is committing a crime against Peter. You focus on all the supposed 'good' you achieve and ignore the evil means you use to reach those ends. Only in the mind of the criminal do you do evil that good may come.

    As far as the rich hurting their children - America is a nation where men and women can hope to become all they can be and realize their true potential. The way to do this is through hard work, self discovery, rick taking, cooperation with others, playing fair and building skills and talents.
    Very good. I didnt know you had that in you. I guess there is hope for you yet.
    What you fail to realize is that when a rich person endows their children with trusts and inheritance they are in effect denying them the opportunity to become self made men and women. They are handicapping them in a way which will haunt them forever.
    That may or may not be true, but whatever the case, it is none of your business how others raise their children or spend their money. Dont be such a busybody.

    The trust fund baby may have dollars and wealth, but when they close that door and look in the mirror they see as pampered and privileged elitist starting back who had it all handed to them on a silver platter. That does not make for strong individuals nor does it make for a good nation to have such fops depleting our precious moral fiber with their personal weakness.
    Pampered trust fund leftists like the Kennedys are not the cause of our moral decay. Hmmm. Maybe I am wrong about that.

    It must be sad to go through life knowing that most of what you have is because Daddy gave it to you. I would much rather look in the mirror and see a self made man or woman who did it their way.
    You pretend to admire the earned while supporting a welfare state that confiscates it and spreads it around among those who did nothing. Kind of hard to take you seriously.

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I challenge you to show Democratic Party support for having children out of wedlock.
    Have the democrats not set up a system that offers financial support for women who have children out of wedlock? They offer a financial 'reward' for such behavior in the form of handouts given at the expense of her neighbors. They dont support the idea of having children out of wedlock, but they support the activity.

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Have the democrats not set up a system that offers financial support for women who have children out of wedlock? They offer a financial 'reward' for such behavior in the form of handouts given at the expense of her neighbors. They dont support the idea of having children out of wedlock, but they support the activity.
    I would be happy to look at the data you would like to present on this issue.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would be happy to look at the data you would like to present on this issue.
    before the great society, black rates of illegitimacy were in the single digits-close to whites
    now-its over 70%

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    before the great society, black rates of illegitimacy were in the single digits-close to whites
    now-its over 70%
    So what? One could make the same charge that it coincided with the adoption of the designated hitter rule.

    That is NOT data which shows that Democrats support illegitimacy. That was the charge. That was the claim. That was the allegation.

    Your attempt to link two things without doing the necessary detailed ground work is amusing.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The federal power to tax INCOME (IRS) comes only from the 16th amendment, that simply allows INCOME from all sources to be taxed. IMHO, Roberts has, in fact, become an "activist" judge in allowing HOW INCOME WAS SPENT, rather that simply the income itself, to be subjected to taxation. Two citizens both making EXACTLY $50K in income (from any source) should not be taxed any more, or less, than the other, based on the 14th amendment requiring EQUAL protection under the law.
    Not that I disagree with you sentiment but the government has taxed people differently based on citizens participating in their approved activities for decades. If you get married, pay less, buy a home, pay less, Have kids. Pay less.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    before the great society, black rates of illegitimacy were in the single digits-close to whites
    now-its over 70%
    racial scapegoating....
    when we have at least 100 years of true equal rights and equality for all races, then you can try and make such arguments.
    Only 40 years ago minorities were openly being denied the same job opportunities and pay that whites were getting with little effort on their part. I went to 3 very good Navy schools between 1965 and 1970, not one black person in them. It wasn't due to inferior intellect either. Once the door finally swung open a bid wider and discrimination was lessened, there were plenty of "other than white" qualified applicants to those Navy schools...
    That equality door is still yet to be fully open for all, there is still plenty of discrimination, it is just hidden or disguised better...
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Not that I disagree with you sentiment but the government has taxed people differently based on citizens participating in their approved activities for decades. If you get married, pay less, buy a home, pay less, Have kids. Pay less.
    I agree that congress WILL DO anything, which is EXACTLY why the founders sought to limit the power of the federal gov't via the constitutional limitation of their power. We have DOEd too, the fastest growing, cabinet level, federal dept., yet there are NO federal schools and NO constitutioanal mention of education as a federal power. That is the MAIN JOB of the SCOTUS, to enforce the ACTUAL words of the constitution. The original writers of the 16th amendment toyed with the idea of imposing a 10% maximum income tax rate limit, yet decided that it may actually ENCOURAGE such a rediculously high taxation rate and left it out.

    The idea that the federal gov't NEEDS to consume an ever larger part of our GDP is insane, as its powers have NOT changed, only its appetite for spending and control have. The ONLY protection offered the public, beyond their meager power to select DC morons, to represent them, at the polls, among the pre-selected and super funded candidates of the two major parties (often BOTH funded by the same donors), is the SCOTUS. If they fall to outside pressure, as chief justice Roberts surely has, then the federal gov't is without ANY limits on its power. The federal gov't now spends at over 24% of GDP, yet only dares to tax at 17% of GDP, creating a federal deficit of 40%.

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