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  • Congress can now pass any law, so long as it's enforced only with taxation. Explain

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Thread: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    No you dont. You have no less thirst for the wealth of the productive than you do for the wealth of their heirs. Your ideology, such as it is, is based entirely upon legalized theft. The left is nothing but a pack of moral and monetary vampires sucking the blood of their betters.
    This was the philosophy behind serfdom. A Dark Ages mindset like this has no place either in a democracy, or in the modern era. We must not allow power to concentrate into the hands of the wealthy few. Opposing aristocracy and oligarchy was the entire reason for the United States' existence in the first place. There are few attitudes that are truly un-American. This is one of them.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    150 an hour? that's very low in the circles I deal with. But I agree-we have far too many lawyers causing far too many costs to be imposed on the private sector. good lawyers will always be needed, bad ones are parasites- we need to close about 2/3ds of the law schools or make passing the bar far far tougher.
    Why not just simply write ONLY common sense laws and write them in plain English? Lawyers, simply strive to create problems that only other lawyers can then be paid to solve.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    This was the philosophy behind serfdom. A Dark Ages mindset like this has no place either in a democracy, or in the modern era. We must not allow power to concentrate into the hands of the wealthy few. Opposing aristocracy and oligarchy was the entire reason for the United States' existence in the first place. There are few attitudes that are truly un-American. This is one of them.
    Maybe its "un-American" to the far left version-the version where dependency is normal and suckling from the public tit is accepted behavior. But to us who want an America that is the best and strongest nation in the world, one where people are free and government is kept in check, no-his attitudes are not un-American-rather yours are

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Why not just simply write ONLY common sense laws and write them in plain English? Lawyers, simply strive to create problems that only other lawyers can then be paid to solve.
    I agree-and many politicians are lawyers. its a self advancing circle jerk

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Why not just simply write ONLY common sense laws and write them in plain English? Lawyers, simply strive to create problems that only other lawyers can then be paid to solve.
    because they are too busy writiing complicated laws that confuse the common person, enabling the better educated to suck dry the public teat in thier own way, like lower taxes for the rich....
    leaving the poor no choice but to suck the govt teat....
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Still, it irks me that the Conservative justices have suddenly decided the Commerce clause limits the power of government. They certainly don't seem to think it provides much narrowness when it is a conservative law which is under scrutiny. It is the lack of sticking to principles that bothers me the most. Interpret the thing with one set of principles or the other, so that we clearly know when it needs to be changed and when it doesn't. I concede there has been activism on the liberal side, but the conservatives are no better. It is the inconsistency which is the fount of activism, and both sides do it.
    You bet conservatives are no better. It all has to do with pleasing the interest groups, in this case private insurance companies and big pharma. I don't want to get into a debate about the commerce clause, but it was never intended to mean the government can control commerce. It was originally intended to prohibit the states from impossing tariffs on other states. Under the Articles of Confederations, you essentially had tariff wars going on between the colonies, and it was meant to correct that problem. Prior to 1900, virtually every case dealing with the commerce clause had to do with limiting state power in interstate commerce, not granting the federal government control over it. On top of that, the notion of the commerce clause is to regulate interstate commerce, not commerce within a state. By refusing to purchase health insurance, you are hardly engaged in interstate commerce.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    This was the philosophy behind serfdom. A Dark Ages mindset like this has no place either in a democracy, or in the modern era. We must not allow power to concentrate into the hands of the wealthy few. Opposing aristocracy and oligarchy was the entire reason for the United States' existence in the first place. There are few attitudes that are truly un-American. This is one of them.
    Not sure what is more ironic: a socialist who lives by the medieval creed of Robin Hood denouncing someone else for holding 'a Dark Ages mindset,' or a left wing despotism fan boy denouncing an individualist as 'un-American.' Hard to say which political philosophy you understand least--yours or mine.

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    The Power To Tax is the Power To Destroy.

    The SCOTUS has just declared there is no effective limit on the power to tax. Ergo, there is no effective limit on the Federal Governments' rightful power to destroy you.

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    This was the philosophy behind serfdom. A Dark Ages mindset like this has no place either in a democracy, or in the modern era. We must not allow power to concentrate into the hands of the wealthy few. Opposing aristocracy and oligarchy was the entire reason for the United States' existence in the first place. There are few attitudes that are truly un-American. This is one of them.
    .....says the guy whose political lean declares that he is in favor of concentrating massive power in the hands of the elite few?

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I love the left who claims that we who work hard to give our children a better life are somehow hurting them while those dem voters who suck from the public tit are showing their kids how to become proper citizens.

    collective greed is the best way to describe those who gain power by addicting so many voters to becoming public tit suckers


    Lets talk about your hated enemies marching in the army of Satan on the far left. I know of not one person who is progressive, liberal or on the left who wants their kids to be dependent on government welfare programs. Not a one. Your characterization is to be so wrong that it is the equal of the Flat earth buffoons.

    As far as the rich hurting their children - America is a nation where men and women can hope to become all they can be and realize their true potential. The way to do this is through hard work, self discovery, rick taking, cooperation with others, playing fair and building skills and talents. What you fail to realize is that when a rich person endows their children with trusts and inheritance they are in effect denying them the opportunity to become self made men and women. They are handicapping them in a way which will haunt them forever.

    The trust fund baby may have dollars and wealth, but when they close that door and look in the mirror they see as pampered and privileged elitist starting back who had it all handed to them on a silver platter. That does not make for strong individuals nor does it make for a good nation to have such fops depleting our precious moral fiber with their personal weakness.

    It must be sad to go through life knowing that most of what you have is because Daddy gave it to you. I would much rather look in the mirror and see a self made man or woman who did it their way.
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