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  • Congress can now pass any law, so long as it's enforced only with taxation. Explain

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Thread: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Quoted for truth. He believes the government needs to be fed more and more and more and more
    Which is a huge LIE.

    I have repeatedly stated my support to cut at least 300 billion dollars from the federal budget.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    No you dont. You have no less thirst for the wealth of the productive than you do for the wealth of their heirs. Your ideology, such as it is, is based entirely upon legalized theft. The left is nothing but a pack of moral and monetary vampires sucking the blood of their betters.
    What IDEOLOGY is that exactly?
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    our constitutional rights are free?
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What IDEOLOGY is that exactly?
    You are more anti-ideology actually. That is why I qualified my statement with "such as it is." As for the psychological reasons behind the adoption and adoration of leftism, you would have to ask a professional. But I would guess that the leading causes would be envy, immaturity, and fear brought on by a lack of self esteem.

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which is a huge LIE.

    I have repeatedly stated my support to cut at least 300 billion dollars from the federal budget.
    But you want the following

    1) everyone to pay at least 5% more

    2) the tax on dividends to go from 15% to up to 40%

    3) same with LTCG

    4) death taxes to be the same as income taxes meaning no one million or 5 million dollar exemption

    5) those making more than the FICA ceiling paying 7% on every penny they earn

    so you do want to feed the government billions more and you want the rich to suffer HUGE tax increases

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    But you want the following

    1) everyone to pay at least 5% more

    2) the tax on dividends to go from 15% to up to 40%

    3) same with LTCG

    4) death taxes to be the same as income taxes meaning no one million or 5 million dollar exemption

    5) those making more than the FICA ceiling paying 7% on every penny they earn

    so you do want to feed the government billions more and you want the rich to suffer HUGE tax increases
    The words RICH and SUFFER, in the same sentence.....what a joke....only in America....
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The words RICH and SUFFER, in the same sentence.....what a joke....only in America....


    so you don't think a tax bill potentially three times higher would clause suffering?

    class envy is so pathetic

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    The court decided that people have a constitutional right to not buy a service, hence why they struck down the commerce clause argument. The right to associate or not associate with anyone is a constitutionally guaranteed right.

    Yet despite this, the court ruled that government could tax people simply for exercising their right to not associate with insurance companies and not buy a product. If Congress can tax people who exercise this right, then they can tax people who exercise their freedom of speech in a certain way. The precedent is set for future interpretation. The courts have ruled that the taxation powers of Congress supercede individual liberty.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    For example, given the recent ACA ruling, what would stop Congress from creating the following 'tax':

    "All citizens will have a 5% tax increase on their earned income. Likewise, if those citizens are not found to have spoken or written negatively about Barack Obama during the calendar year, they will receive a 5% tax credit"
    This is a completely reasonable analysis of the long-term effects of the healthcare ruling.

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you don't think a tax bill potentially three times higher would clause suffering?

    class envy is so pathetic
    you mean wealth envy....you may have more money than me, but not more class
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