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Thread: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    The libertarian right simply cannot pass up any opportunity - even a weak one - to further the cause celebre of attacking Franklin Roosevelt.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Fair taxation being everyone pay the same since they each have the same citizenship rights?

    or fair being each paying the same amount out of every dollar they have for the government?
    There is no financial cost for using the Constitutional rights of citizenship. Any basic civics text will tell you that.

    And your 'argument' (if that is what it is) for a flat tax has dealt with a century ago and crushed and flushed, trashed and smashed. And it was REPUBLICANS in Congress which led the effort.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The libertarian right simply cannot pass up any opportunity - even a weak one - to further the cause celebre of attacking Franklin Roosevelt.
    FDR did more to crap on the bill of rights and his turds have lasted longer than any other president

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is no financial cost for using the Constitutional rights of citizenship. Any basic civics text will tell you that.

    And your 'argument' (if that is what it is) for a flat tax has dealt with a century ago and crushed and flushed, trashed and smashed. And it was REPUBLICANS in Congress which led the effort.
    Uh you are wrong. How many times have lefties posted that swill that taxes are the cost of citizenship.

    nothing has been smashed--only the welfare socialists and the parasite leftwing reactionary statists have been upset over a tax that castrates their power to buy the votes of the many with the money of a few.

    politicians love a tax that allows them to buy the votes of the mediocre with the money of the productive

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Uh you are wrong. How many times have lefties posted that swill that taxes are the cost of citizenship.

    nothing has been smashed--only the welfare socialists and the parasite leftwing reactionary statists have been upset over a tax that castrates their power to buy the votes of the many with the money of a few.

    politicians love a tax that allows them to buy the votes of the mediocre with the money of the productive
    I have never heard anybody here - let alone those on the progressive side - say that taxes are the cost of citizenship. Do please link to some posts which say just that?

    Perhaps you have heard of something called the US Constitution?

    Perhaps you are aware of an amendment in that document which forbids the connection of monetary payment to voting rights?

    On second thought, it seems you have no idea about either.

    Money of the productive? Or is that the lucky who are born with silver spoon in mouth courtesy of Mumsy and Daddykins and their trust funds? That hardly makes them productive.

    I have great respect for the self made honest person who hits it big. But not the silk diaper crowd.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    FDR did more to crap on the bill of rights and his turds have lasted longer than any other president
    The far right gives you brownie points for furthering the libertarian war on FDR. Check that - furthering is a really bad descriptor of your efforts. Let us say CONTINUING the libertarian war on FDR.
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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have never heard anybody here - let alone those on the progressive side - say that taxes are the cost of citizenship. Do please link to some posts which say just that?

    Perhaps you have heard of something called the US Constitution?

    Perhaps you are aware of an amendment in that document which forbids the connection of monetary payment to voting rights?

    On second thought, it seems you have no idea about either.

    Money of the productive? Or is that the lucky who are born with silver spoon in mouth courtesy of Mumsy and Daddykins and their trust funds? That hardly makes them productive.

    I have great respect for the self made honest person who hits it big. But not the silk diaper crowd.
    I don't think you want to play games as to who knows the most about the constitution.

    I realize you hate those whose parents were frugal and worked hard for their children. You think that is unfair to those whose parents were lazy, untalented or spendthrifts. If you had so much respect for self made men you wouldn't support higher taxes on them or advocate taking so much of what they made in derogation of their wishes as to what should happen to their wealth when they die. You just make that claim when it helps you attack those who have the good fortune of productive parents.

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The far right gives you brownie points for furthering the libertarian war on FDR. Check that - furthering is a really bad descriptor of your efforts. Let us say CONTINUING the libertarian war on FDR.
    this country would be far better off now if someone had prevented FDR from taking office in 1932 or had beat him in 32 or 36. He set the stage for most of the unconstitutional dependency addiction that your party gains so much power from

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post

    I have great respect for the self made honest person who hits it big. But not the silk diaper crowd.
    No you dont. You have no less thirst for the wealth of the productive than you do for the wealth of their heirs. Your ideology, such as it is, is based entirely upon legalized theft. The left is nothing but a pack of moral and monetary vampires sucking the blood of their betters.

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    Re: Could taxation kill our Bill of Rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    No you dont. You have no less thirst for the wealth of the productive than you do for the wealth of their heirs. Your ideology, such as it is, is based entirely upon legalized theft. The left is nothing but a pack of moral and monetary vampires sucking the blood of their betters.
    Quoted for truth. He believes the government needs to be fed more and more and more and more

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