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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Its unfortunate that so many place their emotional connection to the dead above the living, but that is not justification enough for using state coercion. Selfishness is part of human nature and there are some places where its too invasive to justify state intervention even when it would benefit the collective good. In the long run, stell-cell grown organ replacements are a better solutions anyways.
    I don't think it's entirely unfortunate. The last thing you want when a loved one dies is to be removed so some men in white coats can cut your dead open and strip the corpse for parts like the body is just a car parked in the wrong alley.
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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    If there is to much trauma to the organs to cause death they are not harvestable. What we are talking about is brain dead people like Terri Schivo

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yup. Or they just plan for that possibility ahead of time if it's something with which they would have a problem.


    I'm not a medical person so I don't know how long the doctors can wait after a person dies before their organs stop being useful (or even the time scale...minutes, hours, etc). If time is an issue, and they have no reason to believe that it would be a problem, then the answer to your question should be yes.
    Well wait a second. "Have no reason to believe it's a "problem". What does that mean? What if a parent says upon notification that their kid's in the hospital that they don't wish their child to be carved up. Is that reason enough, or should the family of child just know to always have this document on hand, just in case?

    What if the injured kid is an 8 year old child? Should the parents have a say then? How about if the child is on life support but not likely to make it, should the family have any say in when or whether to take them off, or should that be dictated by when it would be best to do so in order to harvest organs?



    And I think the presumption should be that we take the course of action that benefits people still alive, and leads to THEIR bodies functioning better, instead of giving all the rights to a carcass that no longer has any use for the organs anyway. If someone has a major problem with their organs being taken, then they should take care of it in advance and opt out...if they don't, then they shouldn't expect that their family will be able to communicate those wishes to the hospital before the doctors take the organs.

    Regardless of whether you have an "opt in" system or an "opt out" system, you're going to be making a lot of assumptions about what the deceased would have wanted in most cases, since most people won't take any action and will just get the default treatment. So all else being equal, it's better to err on the side that will actually help people.
    Now, should ER staff notify the families (in those case where they might still have a choice) that they have a right to opt out and they need to opt out if they wish to, or would it just be better to keep that quiet. After all, if you let them know they have an option, they might just take it.
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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I don't think it's entirely unfortunate. The last thing you want when a loved one dies is to be removed so some men in white coats can cut your dead open and strip the corpse for parts like the body is just a car parked in the wrong alley.
    It's funny. I believe in organ donation. As I said, I am a designated organ donor, but as soon as the conversation turns from "it's a gift, freely given" to "we got a greater right to it than you or your family does", then my positive feelings about it turn to something very near resentment.

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post


    What if the injured kid is an 8 year old child? Should the parents have a say then? How about if the child is on life support but not likely to make it, should the family have any say in when or whether to take them off, or should that be dictated by when it would be best to do so on order to harvest organs?



    So we should keep a brain dead 8 year old alive in a hospital bed till they reach medicare age.....

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So we should keep a brain dead 8 year old alive in a hospital bed till they reach medicare age.....
    So is this an answer to my question? You believe the parents don't get a say?

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    You're very right. Something like a payment to your estate if you sign up. No fortune, maybe $1000-$3000 IF your organs are used. This cost could be billed to the insurer who covers the recipient, it would encourage people to sign up and it will help the family of the donor.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The problem with body harvesting is that it enables the black market. We can't allow people to sell body parts because folks have been before, still are in a reduced capacity under a ban, and would be again killed so that their parts could be sold.

    Likewise, mandating organ donation will increase the number of preventable deaths.

    In stead, we should offer some kind of tax incentive for being a voluntary donor.

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's funny. I believe in organ donation. As I said, I am a designated organ donor, but as soon as the conversation turns from "it's a gift, freely given" to "we got a greater right to it than you or your family does", then my positive feelings about it turn to something very near resentment.

    And I guess I should hate god for giving me a congenital heart defect

    Reality is is it is what it is. I'm going to opt for the opt out system vs the opt in system

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So is this an answer to my question? You believe the parents don't get a say?
    I think torture such as that should be illegal.

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's funny. I believe in organ donation. As I said, I am a designated organ donor, but as soon as the conversation turns from "it's a gift, freely given" to "we got a greater right to it than you or your family does", then my positive feelings about it turn to something very near resentment.
    I'm right there with you. People feel entitled to everything these days. My body, the body of my loved ones, that goes too far. If you ask because you need, I'll do what I can. If you shout and demand that it's magically your right to strip and harvest the corpse of my loved one:

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