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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Everyone in my family has signed the donor card.. including me. God forbid anything should happen to any of them.

    For me its not much of an issue... because by the time I shuffle off this mortal coil .. all my parts will be worn out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Have you ever watched your uncle wither away and die over the course of five years, never to receive the pair of lungs he was waiting for?

    I view humans as the animal-monkey homo sapien. We're typically hairless monkeys suspended in a rock in space. Unlike other animals we have heightened intelligence. Like ants and other creatures we crave order, efficiency, survival.

    Once we die our right to our organs should die as well. How many people have to suffer and wait for organs that they may not ever receive? If you failed the birth lottery and are poor, chances are you won't be able to shunt money towards getting an organ faster.

    No, you have no right to your organs when you die. Your organs will be used to save the lives of others desperately in need. Our country would be a much better place if we didn't waste the perfectly useable organs of the deceased. Think about it. How many people would you say are waiting for a new heart, lung, liver, etc? What if you found yourself waiting? Waiting. Waiting. Deteriorating. Hoping. Dying.

    No more. Do away with voluntary donations. Make it mandatory for the benefit of all. What, you think you need your rotting organ after you're dead? No, you most certainly don't. It could be better put towards saving the life of another human being. It would take some strain off of our healthcare system if we had ready access to life-saving organs/tissue/whatever.

    I think this is what's best for America.

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Yet if you die, you're no longer alive on this earth to exercise any sort of freedom. Rights should end, like marriage, upon death. That's my take on it.
    The main problem is that the family can. And some of them take religious habits of dealing with the dead quite seriously. Given that we have religious freedom in this country, and humans in unusual conditions of death (like brain death) typically belong to the family, I think you'd have a hard time arguing that the family can't decide what's done after death.

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That depends on what religion/spirituality you subscribe to. And even from an agnostic/atheist stand point it's still your body even after death.

    And dude, if you think you don't have a right to your body after death, then you certainly shouldn't believe in any inheritances or passing down of money.
    Eh, not really. From my personal atheist perspective, "I" no longer exist after death. I can't own my body if I don't exist. I don't care what's done with the vessel I used to use to carry myself around.

    My wishes are centered around trying to create the least waste. I am a registered organ donor, and I'd like my remains to buried without a casket, to make it the least resource intensive and the least polluting.

    But here's the thing: At the end of the day, I won't care whether that really happens or not, because I'll be dead. If humanity wants to create waste for no reason or deprive others of life-saving organs, fine. I tried my best, in life.
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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Its unfortunate that so many place their emotional connection to the dead above the living, but that is not justification enough for using state coercion. Selfishness is part of human nature and there are some places where its too invasive to justify state intervention even when it would benefit the collective good. In the long run, stell-cell grown organ replacements are a better solutions anyways.

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, make all-Americans default organ-donors.

    if you want your body to have integrity when it becomes worm-food, you should have to select it and have it printed on your drivers license or state-issued ID.
    So you would require a government issued ID to prevent the government from confiscating your body, but having a govenment issued ID to vote is a problem. Interesting.

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The problem with body harvesting is that it enables the black market. We can't allow people to sell body parts because folks have been before, still are in a reduced capacity under a ban, and would be again killed so that their parts could be sold.

    Likewise, mandating organ donation will increase the number of preventable deaths.

    In stead, we should offer some kind of tax incentive for being a voluntary donor.
    While I am a flat-tax advocate at heart and feel that all incentives and deductions should be eliminated, as long as we have incentives and deductions I would be all in favor of voluntary organ donations being one of them. I would much prefer that over "presumed consent".
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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    We could use an opt-out system with incredibly biased wording on the form:

    Do you wish to be a selfish jerk by taking all your organs with you to the grave to be worm food instead of giving them to someone to save their life?
    J/K

    Some of you have been using language like that. Whose body is it anyway?

    I would still opt out because of an article I read years ago about doctors taking organs before the person was really dead. I can't link to the article because this was pre-Internet. It scared the crap out of me and I've never been an organ donor since. I'm not sure if they would want my organs anyway since I take a lot of pain meds due to a chronic condition. Ghoulish stuff like this completely creeps me out to begin with. I can't watch any of those shows that show an operation in action or I'll get nightmares.

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I would still opt out because of an article I read years ago about doctors taking organs before the person was really dead. I can't link to the article because this was pre-Internet. It scared the crap out of me and I've never been an organ donor since. I'm not sure if they would want my organs anyway since I take a lot of pain meds due to a chronic condition. Ghoulish stuff like this completely creeps me out to begin with. I can't watch any of those shows that show an operation in action or I'll get nightmares.
    I'll be honest and admit that this is always in the back of my mind, as well.

    Yeah, I know I know, there would be massive safeguards in place. Oversight and accountability like no one would believe. Yada yada yada. I will grant that it would be rare, but I do not believe that it would be non-existent. Bottom line: money talks. There are way too many people in the world that have no scruples, and if there are potentially sizable amounts of money to be earned in black market organs, there will be some who will try to seize that "opportunity".

    Just one example: Animal parts, i.e. rhinoceros horns, elephant tusks, etc. Some of the most reviled practices in the world. Enforcements attempts that are actually pretty strong. Penalties, if caught, are severe. Yet, it continues to happen. If there is a market, there will be a supplier.
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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    If you mandate such a thing, I will come up with something clever to sabotage the usefulness of my organs after my death.
    That's of course, if my death is caused by some kind of foreseeable illness or old age.

    Plus, I'm really hoping to have my head frozen, so I really don't want that messed with.
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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Maybe they go to the trouble to sign a document saying that they don't want the deceased person's organs to be taken, and deliver it to the hospital or morgue. Something like that. Something that's enough of an inconvenience that most people won't bother, but not so much of an inconvenience that the family's wishes aren't respected.

    Part of the problem with our current system is that most people are simply lazy. Most people would have no issue with being an organ donor, but far less are actually registered to be an organ donor. An "opt-out" system makes more sense than an "opt-in" system IMO. There are too many people desperately in need of organs for us to just bury people with perfectly good organs when they weren't even opposed to donating them.
    I see. So parents that have just learned that their kid has been in a serious and possibly fatal accident, need to remember to bring a signed note with them otherwise they're SOL? Also, what if the kid does die before the parents can make it to the hospital to deliver this document. Should they just start harvesting organs before they know how the parents feel about it?

    Sorry, but I think the presumption should be it's your (and your family's) choice what happens to your body after death.

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I see. So parents that have just learned that their kid has been in a serious and possibly fatal accident, need to remember to bring a signed note with them otherwise they're SOL?
    Yup. Or they just plan for that possibility ahead of time if it's something with which they would have a problem.

    Also, what if the kid does die before the parents can make it to the hospital to deliver this document. Should they just start harvesting organs before they know how the parents feel about it?
    I'm not a medical person so I don't know how long the doctors can wait after a person dies before their organs stop being useful (or even the time scale...minutes, hours, etc). If time is an issue, and they have no reason to believe that it would be a problem, then the answer to your question should be yes.

    Sorry, but I think the presumption should be it's your (and your family's) choice what happens to your body after death.
    And I think the presumption should be that we take the course of action that benefits people still alive, and leads to THEIR bodies functioning better, instead of giving all the rights to a carcass that no longer has any use for the organs anyway. If someone has a major problem with their organs being taken, then they should take care of it in advance and opt out...if they don't, then they shouldn't expect that their family will be able to communicate those wishes to the hospital before the doctors take the organs.

    Regardless of whether you have an "opt in" system or an "opt out" system, you're going to be making a lot of assumptions about what the deceased would have wanted in most cases, since most people won't take any action and will just get the default treatment. So all else being equal, it's better to err on the side that will actually help people.
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