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Thread: Mandatory Organ Donation

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

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    I know. We already have death panels and a War on Christmas.
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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yes, make all-Americans default organ-donors.

    if you want your body to have integrity when it becomes worm-food, you should have to select it and have it printed on your drivers license or state-issued ID.
    I simply don't want my organs put into another person after I die because they'll probably die. Plus, I shouldn't have to tell anyone anything of that nature. It's none of their ****ing business. You don't have a right to another persons body anyway.
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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    If the notion of there being a difference is laughable to you, then you should consider opt-in and opt-out the same and therefore, should have no preference over the other.
    I'm looking at the end results; more organs for donation = better outcome.

    In an opt-out system, there's a good probability more people who don't really care what happens to their bodies after they die will end up donating their organs in the end.

    People's laziness is always a good bet, even on something as small as checking a box.

    Most people getting their licenses want to get it done with ASAP, so they just refuse any of the offers they are given to them at the DMV just to be done quicker. Thus, less people take the time to check an organ donor box, unless they feel strongly about it one way or the other. In order to "capture" these uninterested parties's organs who would otherwise go wasted, you require an opt out, use people's laziness to an advantage. People who care one way or another can still change their preference, but you end up with a net benefit of indifferent, lazy people's organs.

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    I'm looking at the end results; more organs for donation = better outcome.

    In an opt-out system, there's a good probability more people who don't really care what happens to their bodies after they die will end up donating their organs in the end.

    People's laziness is always a good bet, even on something as small as checking a box.

    Most people getting their licenses want to get it done with ASAP, so they just refuse any of the offers they are given to them at the DMV just to be done quicker. Thus, less people take the time to check an organ donor box, unless they feel strongly about it one way or the other. In order to "capture" these uninterested parties's organs who would otherwise go wasted, you require an opt out, use people's laziness to an advantage. People who care one way or another can still change their preference, but you end up with a net benefit of indifferent, lazy people's organs.
    Laziness is a double-edged sword, since it also increases the chances that something like this will happen more frequently.
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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    I'm looking at the end results; more organs for donation = better outcome.

    In an opt-out system, there's a good probability more people who don't really care what happens to their bodies after they die will end up donating their organs in the end.

    People's laziness is always a good bet, even on something as small as checking a box.

    Most people getting their licenses want to get it done with ASAP, so they just refuse any of the offers they are given to them at the DMV just to be done quicker. Thus, less people take the time to check an organ donor box, unless they feel strongly about it one way or the other. In order to "capture" these uninterested parties's organs who would otherwise go wasted, you require an opt out, use people's laziness to an advantage. People who care one way or another can still change their preference, but you end up with a net benefit of indifferent, lazy people's organs.
    I don't think government control should be based on "capturing people" and counting on laziness to essentially trick people into doing something. That's what happened with Facebook which is why I used it as an example. They implemented new policies, people ended up dealing with the undesired consequences of them and **** hit the fan. That's what would happen with this and I think it's a horrible idea.

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Laziness is a double-edged sword, since it also increases the chances that something like this will happen more frequently.
    It seems that that particular case was more a result of poor screening methods. Now, of course who knows the problems we might have from having a glut of organs on hand, but I can't imagine we'd get enough to actually run out of donors. I was thinking at best we might reduce waiting times by a few weeks,

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't think government control should be based on "capturing people" and counting on laziness to essentially trick people into doing something. That's what happened with Facebook which is why I used it as an example. They implemented new policies, people ended up dealing with the undesired consequences of them and **** hit the fan. That's what would happen with this and I think it's a horrible idea.
    So...you're saying that you love my idea?

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    It seems that that particular case was more a result of poor screening methods. Now, of course who knows the problems we might have from having a glut of organs on hand, but I can't imagine we'd get enough to actually run out of donors. I was thinking at best we might reduce waiting times by a few weeks,
    If the screening methods for that one instance was poor, imagine what it will be like when a large quantity of organs come pouring in. Organs only last so long before they have to be discarded, so checking them all is simply not an option, therefore they have to rely on medical history. You really think someone with HIV/AIDS, Herpes, or Hepatitis is going to say they have those diseases? A lot of people don't even know they have that stuff swimming around their bodies, and even more don't even have a medical history since they don't go to hospitals. We also have ****ty hospitals that just want the money, and don't do as good a job as they should. These reasons alone make mandatory organ donation a bad idea, let alone tricking people into being organ donors by playing on their laziness, which is unethical in and of itself.
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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Have you ever watched your uncle wither away and die over the course of five years, never to receive the pair of lungs he was waiting for?

    I view humans as the animal-monkey homo sapien. We're typically hairless monkeys suspended in a rock in space. Unlike other animals we have heightened intelligence. Like ants and other creatures we crave order, efficiency, survival.

    Once we die our right to our organs should die as well. How many people have to suffer and wait for organs that they may not ever receive? If you failed the birth lottery and are poor, chances are you won't be able to shunt money towards getting an organ faster.

    No, you have no right to your organs when you die. Your organs will be used to save the lives of others desperately in need. Our country would be a much better place if we didn't waste the perfectly useable organs of the deceased. Think about it. How many people would you say are waiting for a new heart, lung, liver, etc? What if you found yourself waiting? Waiting. Waiting. Deteriorating. Hoping. Dying.

    No more. Do away with voluntary donations. Make it mandatory for the benefit of all. What, you think you need your rotting organ after you're dead? No, you most certainly don't. It could be better put towards saving the life of another human being. It would take some strain off of our healthcare system if we had ready access to life-saving organs/tissue/whatever.

    I think this is what's best for America.
    No, just make it an opt out system where it can be done at any government office or over the internet.

    The vast majority will be too lazy to bother.

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    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    If the screening methods for that one instance was poor, imagine what it will be like when a large quantity of organs come pouring in. Organs only last so long before they have to be discarded, so checking them all is simply not an option, therefore they have to rely on medical history. You really think someone with HIV/AIDS, Herpes, or Hepatitis is going to say they have those diseases? A lot of people don't even know they have that stuff swimming around their bodies, and even more don't even have a medical history since they don't. We also have ****ty hospitals that just want the money, and don't do as good a job as they should. These reasons alone make mandatory organ donation a bad idea, let alone tricking people into being organ donors by playing on their laziness, which is unethical in and of itself.
    Okay, let me make clear I don't advocate exploiting laziness on the receiving end of the organs.

    Yes, you have an excellent point; the organs coming need strict standards of quality control. So far, our organ donation programs are pretty effective and have a pretty good success rate. Certainly, more organs create the possibility of lowered standards to keep up with demand. It's a point well taken.

    But if the general goal is to simply have more organs being donated, I still say the opt-out system is superior in terms of maximizing the overall numbers of organs available for donation. The screening, keeping and surgical attachment is a separate but related issue.

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