View Poll Results: After death do you think it should be mandated that organs are used to save lives?

Voters
92. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    15 16.30%
  • No

    74 80.43%
  • Unsure

    3 3.26%
Page 17 of 18 FirstFirst ... 715161718 LastLast
Results 161 to 170 of 179

Thread: Mandatory Organ Donation

  1. #161
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    The Republic of Texas.
    Last Seen
    11-15-17 @ 11:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,647

    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So in other words, you're willing to let people die because some third party was mildly rude to you.
    I'm willing to let them die because their time is up and it is the natural order of things.

    Also, what caused the need in the first place? Smoking, drinking, obesity, diabetes, genetic defect? If the government mandates organ donation, then how much more control over our daily lives will they try to exert to make sure we keep our organs healthy?

    If it is made the default choice, then how do the doctor know the organs are even viable and can be transplanted? Do the doctors at hospitals doing the harvesting have all the medical information on someone who has just been killed? Can they get that information in time? Do you really want to pass on the liver of someone who had/has hepatitis but who didn't bother to uncheck the option? How would the doctors know if they have/had hep without a full screening of medical records?

    I don't know very much about how they can check such things. I personally am not an organ donor. I have way to many health issues and I am also not allowed to donate blood. But if I die in some way they could harvest my organs, how would those doctors know anything?

    Making anything like organ donations mandatory or even making it the default option opens up to many bad things to happen that shouldn't.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

  2. #162
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Colorado mountains
    Last Seen
    01-03-15 @ 08:59 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    5,729

    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    All we hear about is organ donation ...
    What about pianos? I've been waiting half my life for someone to donate a piano to me.

  3. #163
    Sage

    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    The Republic of Texas.
    Last Seen
    11-15-17 @ 11:40 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,647

    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Have you ever watched your uncle wither away and die over the course of five years, never to receive the pair of lungs he was waiting for?

    I view humans as the animal-monkey homo sapien. We're typically hairless monkeys suspended in a rock in space. Unlike other animals we have heightened intelligence. Like ants and other creatures we crave order, efficiency, survival.

    Once we die our right to our organs should die as well. How many people have to suffer and wait for organs that they may not ever receive? If you failed the birth lottery and are poor, chances are you won't be able to shunt money towards getting an organ faster.

    No, you have no right to your organs when you die. Your organs will be used to save the lives of others desperately in need. Our country would be a much better place if we didn't waste the perfectly useable organs of the deceased. Think about it. How many people would you say are waiting for a new heart, lung, liver, etc? What if you found yourself waiting? Waiting. Waiting. Deteriorating. Hoping. Dying.

    No more. Do away with voluntary donations. Make it mandatory for the benefit of all. What, you think you need your rotting organ after you're dead? No, you most certainly don't. It could be better put towards saving the life of another human being. It would take some strain off of our healthcare system if we had ready access to life-saving organs/tissue/whatever.

    I think this is what's best for America.
    What you propose would exert sovereignty over others. In life or death, each person is sovereign only unto themselves, their minor children and those to whom they give it to. No other person ever has the "right" to claim sovereignty over any other person against their will. Each and every person only has the right to what they create or earn for themselves and nothing gives anyone the right to take from others for their own selfish gain.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

  4. #164
    Sage
    Sherman123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Northeast US
    Last Seen
    11-23-17 @ 11:12 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    7,774

    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    As an advocate of cryonics I vehemently oppose the inability to 'opt-out' however I have no problem with an assumption of opting in.

    A lot of countries have adopted a presumption of acceptance where you have to specifically indicate that you do not wish to be an organ donor. This dramatically increases access to organs but still offers those who object with the option of excluding themselves.

  5. #165
    Dungeon Master
    anti socialist

    X Factor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Texas Proud
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:21 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    44,727

    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I am ok with it being mandatory, but I am just cheap enough to think the recipient's insurance
    should pay for the funeral expenses.
    Actually, if the government is to assume ownership after death as people here have advocated, then the government should pay for burial (afterall, it's government property now, right?).

  6. #166
    Dungeon Master
    anti socialist

    X Factor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Texas Proud
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:21 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    44,727

    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    What you propose would exert sovereignty over others. In life or death, each person is sovereign only unto themselves, their minor children and those to whom they give it to. No other person ever has the "right" to claim sovereignty over any other person against their will. Each and every person only has the right to what they create or earn for themselves and nothing gives anyone the right to take from others for their own selfish gain.
    You'll wait a long time for a response from the OP. Strange that this thread is back from being dormant for so long, but it was an interesting discussion at the time (and still is).

  7. #167
    Dungeon Master
    Veni, vidi, dormivi!

    spud_meister's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Didjabringabeeralong
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    33,894
    Blog Entries
    8

    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    They can have my organ when they pry it from my cold, dead hands...
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

  8. #168
    Renaissance Man
    Captain Adverse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Mid-West USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    8,607
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Well, I think people have rights while alive, so I would never advocate for mandatory euthanasia.
    I does not matter what you'd advocate for. Once a society determines that a body after death becomes the property of the State, then no wealthy and powerful person is going to want to wait around for the right donor match to ensure good health immediately.

    More things WILL become criminal acts requiring the death penalty, and people who are poor and dispossessed will be convicted and executed merely to meet the growing demand for their organs.

    Your body does not stop being "yours" simply because you die. You have the right to determine the disposition of it when you die by electing to be an organ donor, or not. If you fail to make such an election, the default should be NO you don't wish to donate.

    The State never owns you, alive or dead. It would be foolish to set such a precedent granting government this power simply due to an appeal to emotion.
    Last edited by Captain Adverse; 07-31-13 at 09:30 AM.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

  9. #169
    Dungeon Master
    anti socialist

    X Factor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Texas Proud
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 10:21 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    44,727

    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    They can have my organ when they pry it from my cold, dead hands...
    Now that is a disturbing image in so many ways.

  10. #170
    Dungeon Master
    Veni, vidi, dormivi!

    spud_meister's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Didjabringabeeralong
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    33,894
    Blog Entries
    8

    Re: Mandatory Organ Donation

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Now that is a disturbing image in so many ways.
    The local church especially has been after my organ for many years, I refuse to donate it to them when I die.

    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

Page 17 of 18 FirstFirst ... 715161718 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •