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  • Medical Care (explain how)

    1 3.33%
  • On base amenities

    4 13.33%
  • A 5 year pay freeze

    2 6.67%
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    What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    IMO, we should sacrifice our retirement. When I say sacrifice, I mean that instead of being able to collect our retirement the year we leave our respective (I use that term loosely for everyone but the Marine Corps lol) service, we should wait until we are 55. I think 10 years earlier than everyone else is a justifiable reward for serving 20 or 30 years in an environment where you go to war for others who choose not to and you have no collective bargaining agreement in regards to your retirement to begin with. Some of the other stuff in the poll could go too. I just believe this should be first.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    I think the last people we should ask to sacrifice anything are our all-volunteer military/former military.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    IMO, we should sacrifice our retirement. When I say sacrifice, I mean that instead of being able to collect our retirement the year we leave our respective (I use that term loosely for everyone but the Marine Corps lol) service, we should wait until we are 55. I think 10 years earlier than everyone else is a justifiable reward for serving 20 or 30 years in an environment where you go to war for others who choose not to and you have no collective bargaining agreement in regards to your retirement to begin with. Some of the other stuff in the poll could go too. I just believe this should be first.
    I support cuts to the defense budget in the near future. We can make those cuts without making our troops sacrifice. Efficiency improvements alone in a 700 billion budget could account for significant savings.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Where is the poll?

    I agree - our current retirement system is not reflective of our workforce. Guys aren't going to get out at ages 38-44 and then immediately become bed-ridden retirees; they are going to go get other jobs. We should shift retirement from a pension to a TSP match like 401(k)'s for the younger guys, and find ways to grandfather/ease the older guys.

    Pushing all retirees starting in 5 years (so that everybody reenlists into the new system) out to 55, and all retirees starting in 10 years to age 65 would be a good way to "step-ladder" that process. In the meantime, we can match up to 5-10% of base pay in TSP to ease the cost of the shift, and everybody who has reenlisted at least once but hasn't hit the 10 year mark can get pro-rated retirement at 65 (so, for a 10 year guy who then completes the 20, 25% of base pay at age 65) plus the TSP match, with all the guys on their first enlistment and below just getting the match.

    That way we phase out costs without breaking faith. 15 year retirements are probably a good idea too - but should be an automatic you-are-waiting-until-55-or-65 starting immediately.

    But yeah, if it comes down to gear for the next generation of guys or my benefits - give them the gear. Every Marine knows the right answer between an extra paycheck or something that might save a younger Marines' life.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    I "liked" the OP because it is a well-articulated method of cutting the military budget that will cause the least financial pain for those who have probably already started a second career.

    However, there are a hell of a lot of military cuts that should be made long before any of those who have already sacrificed much should be asked to sacrifice more.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I support cuts to the defense budget in the near future. We can make those cuts without making our troops sacrifice. Efficiency improvements alone in a 700 billion budget could account for significant savings.
    hooray! magic efficiency savings! Government is going to become efficient!




    Personnel and Maintenance are the two largest costs for DOD. You can either cut spending on personnel, or you can have them driving around in imaginary tanks. There isn't a realistic "well let's just get rid of all the $600 toilet seats" answer to really cutting DOD spending.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I "liked" the OP because it is a well-articulated method of cutting the military budget that will cause the least financial pain for those who have probably already started a second career.

    However, there are a hell of a lot of military cuts that should be made long before any of those who have already sacrificed much should be asked to sacrifice more.
    like... healthcare for retirees? That's what's getting cut (along with a whole bunch of other stuff) under sequestration.


    everybody is in favor of cutting DOD spending until they have to face the reality that the choice is A) cut benefits to the troops or B) cut the gear and training that keeps them alive.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    As for a pay freeze. I am willing to freeze mine, sure. But I am 100% dead set against a pay freeze for E4 and below. Those guys live enough on the edge already; if you are going to freeze their pay you need to boost BAS / BAH to make up the difference for the guys trying to raise families on wages that rate them food stamps.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I support cuts to the defense budget in the near future. We can make those cuts without making our troops sacrifice. Efficiency improvements alone in a 700 billion budget could account for significant savings.
    I agree. But we all need to be willing to make sacrifices IMO. Our military is very well taken care of. The retirement thing is low hanging fruit. Where in this country can a 38 year old retire and receive a pension for the rest of his/her life? Medical care could be cut in regards to health problems unrelated to service. For instance, if a retiree goes to the doctor for a cold, he pays a higher co-pay than if he goes for treatment for his knee that was blown out during his time in.
    My whole point on this is that I don't like the fact that our military is turning into an entitlement society just like the rest of the country. A lot of my fellow Marines act as though they deserve things that I never would have thought I deserved when I was at the point in my career that they are. We all need to buckle down and be willing to get a little uncomfortable to benefit the country.
    Last thing, I would love to see a politician or two be willing to do this.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I think the last people we should ask to sacrifice anything are our all-volunteer military/former military.
    we're the ones who signed up for it - and we are the ones who generally are young, disciplined, and skilled enough to where we can more easily take it. I'd rather cut my pension (long in the future and I have time to figure out how to make up for it) before I would cut current medicare recipients, who may have no other options.

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