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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Job placement programs, and giving tax breaks to employers that hire vets as the Democrats have proposed would be preferable to most vets than having their benefits cut, I would wager.
    A) both cost money
    B) both tend to be ineffective
    C) yes LOSING THEIR JOBS would probably be seen as being worse than having to wait until age 55 to collect a pension

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Thats a crock of chit marine...no your not drafted and forced in anymore...but thats ONLY because the real american kids step up to the plate and volunteer, if and when they STOP volunteering to do what the rich kids WONT do, then you will see how fast the draft comes back so the rich can assure their richs and POWER.
    Look there is no way you can justify your attitude towards your own to me CPWILL...Ive seen the results of doing for your country up front and personal...We have lots of wheelchairs and missing limbs in my VFW and the DVA and the VVA...we have lots of smiling faces that gave up a healthy normal life for other dirtbags that could care less.
    NO ONE DOES or gives what a military person does, especially COMBAT TROOPS...no one....the mental strength you need...the moral strength you need not to become a criminal...the fortitude and COURAGE...the training...the days away from your family...your longing to hold your GF..your wife...your daughter...dont you even try to justify to me that our kids need to have LESS so the rich scumbags can have more......ILL PAY MORE...and Ill pay more happily and willingly....Our kids deserve nothing less than GUARANTEES, they get the best medical attention for what they gave...that they have income to live the rest of their lives NOT HOMELESS..that there is help for mental health and a GUARANTEED INCOME for the COMBAT DISABLED and the troops that gave all the prime money making years of their life to the service of their choice...your right wing stuff falls on my deaf veteran ears...and let me make this clear...I dont collect a veterans pension and I could easily get one just by applying I CHOSE NOT TO...I dont use tricare or go to Vet hospitals although I can...I have the means to provide for me and I do..and I believe I should leave it for another who needs it more than I....this is NOT about me....This is about what I believe is right.
    Im not going to get into this conversation again, my feelings are too strong on this and I will get banned for sure...thats why I avoid military threads..and the nam thread...I dont even want to talk about that chit or hear it anymore
    man. everything for you really comes down to how much you hate people who made more money than you did, doesn't it? did a banker beat you up as a child?

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    For some one being in the military, there is an incredible amount about the military you either do not know about, or are willing to lie about.
    Project much? Get back to me when you've decided to stop dishonestly editing your quotes from sources.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Project much? Get back to me when you've decided to stop dishonestly editing your quotes from sources.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did not figure you would be able to dispute what I wrote. It is good to be right.
    you're not posting in a manner that is worth disputing. First you insinuated that a report said what it didn't. Then you said that we didn't have to cut personnel or ops/maintenance. Then you argued that we could cut ops/maintenance, just through more magical "efficiency". Then you bring up the BRAC (again), apparently forgetting that one of the reasons BRAC saved money is because we cut the personnel. Maybe you should spend some time figuring out what you actually think, and then come back in here.

    (Again) No one says that we can't or shouldn't seek efficiency savings. If you had the intellectual capacity to understand critique as anything other than a personal assault (to which you apparently feel the need to respond in kind, though the more you do so the weaker you appear) you would have been able to grasp that MarineTPartier and I have been discussing ways to do and incentivize just that. But the notion that we have painless options in significantly reducing DOD spending is BS.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A) both cost money
    B) both tend to be ineffective
    C) yes LOSING THEIR JOBS would probably be seen as being worse than having to wait until age 55 to collect a pension
    It would cost way less money than it saved, and they would not be asking career military to retire, As most of the troops are not career military, it would be just more help for them when they left the service than they would get otherwise, and recruiting less replacements.

    Believe it or not, we didn't always spend as much as the rest of the world combined on the military.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    the military should be cut nothing at all unless of course the civies wants to pick up the slack!
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It would cost way less money than it saved, and they would not be asking career military to retire, As most of the troops are not career military, it would be just more help for them when they left the service than they would get otherwise, and recruiting less replacements.
    Incorrect - you would be kicking out careerists. You know when companies fire people who are at their 29 year mark because at the 30 year mark they owe them a pension? That is what you would be doing. "more help"? How would you be giving someone "more help" if instead of cutting their pension you took it away entirely along with their paycheck and their healthcare?

    Look, if you want to start firing people, okay. But discuss it openly rather than pretending that you are "trying to take care of the troops".

    Believe it or not, we didn't always spend as much as the rest of the world combined on the military.
    yes and during that time the British Empire picked up the cost instead. If you see another rising hegemon out there dedicated to providing the security for the liberal world order and global trade upon which our economy is utterly dependent, let me know.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yes and during that time the British Empire picked up the cost instead. If you see another rising hegemon out there dedicated to providing the security for the liberal world order and global trade upon which our economy is utterly dependent, let me know.
    I hear China is rising to the occasion...
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Sort of. China is rising, but wont' go as far as some think. Their growth is about to start dropping, their real estate bubble is about to pop, and in 20 years their one-child policy will finally catch up with them as their populace ages.

    That being said, China has no interest in protecting a liberal world order built around global trade - they are nationalist / mercantilists.

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