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  • Retirement (explain how)

    8 26.67%
  • Medical Care (explain how)

    1 3.33%
  • On base amenities

    4 13.33%
  • A 5 year pay freeze

    2 6.67%
  • Other

    15 50.00%
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I agree. But we all need to be willing to make sacrifices IMO. Our military is very well taken care of. The retirement thing is low hanging fruit. Where in this country can a 38 year old retire and receive a pension for the rest of his/her life? Medical care could be cut in regards to health problems unrelated to service. For instance, if a retiree goes to the doctor for a cold, he pays a higher co-pay than if he goes for treatment for his knee that was blown out during his time in.
    My whole point on this is that I don't like the fact that our military is turning into an entitlement society just like the rest of the country. A lot of my fellow Marines act as though they deserve things that I never would have thought I deserved when I was at the point in my career that they are. We all need to buckle down and be willing to get a little uncomfortable to benefit the country.
    Last thing, I would love to see a politician or two be willing to do this.

    It would have to be a vet, like McCain to bless off on a program like this.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    As for a pay freeze. I am willing to freeze mine, sure. But I am 100% dead set against a pay freeze for E4 and below. Those guys live enough on the edge already; if you are going to freeze their pay you need to boost BAS / BAH to make up the difference for the guys trying to raise families on wages that rate them food stamps.
    I agree with you on that bro. Corporals and below hurt bad, especially when they are married. I should have put that in the poll honestly.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    like... healthcare for retirees? That's what's getting cut (along with a whole bunch of other stuff) under sequestration.


    everybody is in favor of cutting DOD spending until they have to face the reality that the choice is A) cut benefits to the troops or B) cut the gear and training that keeps them alive.
    There are other options.

    1. We could rework treaties that obligate us to keep forces in countries that we don't really need to be in. We could then significantly cut the number of troops we have at these locations. Those troops could be reassigned or put on reserve and put back into the civilian work force (of course this would take place as the economy recovers).
    2. We could cancel out defensive contracts for materials the military doesn't want/need.
    3. We could stop funding the military arsenal of countries more than capable of buying/creating their own.
    4. Let the border states employ their own forces to defend and fortify the borders.
    5. Lower administrative salaries at the DOD.
    6. Cancel out defensive contracts for mercenary/manual labor programs.

    And I'm sure there are several other options that don't include screwing over our military troops.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    There are other options.

    1. We could rework treaties that obligate us to keep forces in countries that we don't really need to be in. We could then significantly cut the number of troops we have at these locations. Those troops could be reassigned or put on reserve and put back into the civilian work force (of course this would take place as the economy recovers).
    2. We could cancel out defensive contracts for materials the military doesn't want/need.
    3. We could stop funding the military arsenal of countries more than capable of buying/creating their own.
    4. Let the border states employ their own forces to defend and fortify the borders.
    5. Lower administrative salaries at the DOD.
    6. Cancel out defensive contracts for mercenary/manual labor programs.

    And I'm sure there are several other options that don't include screwing over our military troops.
    Just a note on something similar to the highlighted above. I received a Range Control phone roster from a civilian at Ft Campbell a week ago when I went for the Range Safety Officer course. There are, and this is an estimate off the top of my head, at least 50 guys working at range control on that base. All with their own phone number, I assume their own office based off of the fact that they all have their own phone number, and many of them with the same job title. Do we really need 50 people running range control? It can't be that hard. The SDZ's (cpwill, you know what I'm talking about I'm sure) stay the same, the ranges very seldom change, and maintenance is many times conducted by the range user not range control. It seems to me that ranges should be able to run themselves once the safety stuff is done.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    IMO, we should sacrifice our retirement. When I say sacrifice, I mean that instead of being able to collect our retirement the year we leave our respective (I use that term loosely for everyone but the Marine Corps lol) service, we should wait until we are 55. I think 10 years earlier than everyone else is a justifiable reward for serving 20 or 30 years in an environment where you go to war for others who choose not to and you have no collective bargaining agreement in regards to your retirement to begin with. Some of the other stuff in the poll could go too. I just believe this should be first.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Just a note on something similar to the highlighted above. I received a Range Control phone roster from a civilian at Ft Campbell a week ago when I went for the Range Safety Officer course. There are, and this is an estimate off the top of my head, at least 50 guys working at range control on that base. All with their own phone number, I assume their own office based off of the fact that they all have their own phone number, and many of them with the same job title. Do we really need 50 people running range control? It can't be that hard. The SDZ's (cpwill, you know what I'm talking about I'm sure) stay the same, the ranges very seldom change, and maintenance is many times conducted by the range user not range control. It seems to me that ranges should be able to run themselves once the safety stuff is done.
    WTF!!!
    50 guys working at range control on that base.
    It takes 50 guys to do what boots used to do?Spot and wave maggies drawers?
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I support cuts to the defense budget in the near future. We can make those cuts without making our troops sacrifice. Efficiency improvements alone in a 700 billion budget could account for significant savings.
    Agreed. Secretary Gates essentially stated that unless we get healthcare costs in the military under control, there won't be money for weapons. And the US spends more on defense then the majority of the entire world combined.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    hooray! magic efficiency savings! Government is going to become efficient!




    Personnel and Maintenance are the two largest costs for DOD. You can either cut spending on personnel, or you can have them driving around in imaginary tanks. There isn't a realistic "well let's just get rid of all the $600 toilet seats" answer to really cutting DOD spending.
    Ah, it must be silly season. Because two things are the biggest, that must mean that is the only place spending happens. So you create this painfully silly false claim. Maybe you do not remember, just as an example, the base Closure Commission(hint: it worked).
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Just thought I would throw this out there for cpwill: U.S. Government's 2010 Financial Report Shows Significant Financial Management and Fiscal Challenges

    The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) cannot render an opinion on the 2010 consolidated financial statements of the federal government, because of widespread material internal control weaknesses, significant uncertainties, and other limitations.

    “Even though significant progress has been made since the enactment of key financial management reforms in the 1990s, our report on the U.S. government’s consolidated financial statement illustrates that much work remains to be done to improve federal financial management. Shortcomings in three areas again prevented us from expressing an opinion on the accrual-based financial statements,” said Gene Dodaro, Acting Comptroller General of the United States.

    The main obstacles to a GAO opinion were: (1) serious financial management problems at the Department of Defense (DOD) that made its financial statements unauditable, (2) the federal government’s inability to adequately account for and reconcile intragovernmental activity and balances between federal agencies, and (3) the federal government’s ineffective process for preparing the consolidated financial statements.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Efficiency improvements alone in a 700 billion budget could account for significant savings.
    Yeah! That's gonna happen.

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