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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ah. and how do you propose we do this? and what do you propose we do when they demure to take on an asymetrical force that may be popular with their populace? and how do you expect us to deal with the threat of narco-cartels on the border?

    you don't get to pick your enemies. the dream of fighting only linear nation states is gone. even the linear nation states are well aware of our preference to avoid civilian casualties and seek to deploy their military in such a way as to take advantage of that (see: Iraq).
    It's a fight that can be won. The 'problem' is we want to fight by the Marquis of Queensbury rules while the enemies of this nation know how to hamstring us by them. I heard it said at the beginning of the ME wars that we could never win. I scoffed, knowing darn well the sort of force and brute power we could bring to bear. The huge technological advantage our boys on the ground had and had a pretty good idea regarding just how sharp the tip of the tactical spear had become. But they were right, because we were fighting an ideology not so much a people.

    The last armies prepared to deal with this conflict were Roman. They would march in, enslave the younger women and adolescent boys and either crucify or put the rest to the sword. Town after town after town. At the height of it's power, one defied Rome or Alexander or Genghis Khan at their own risk and that risk was mortal. Today we respond to suicide bombers with rules that a female interrogator cannot even lie about her menstrual cycle to a detainee. To massive Taliban prison break outs, obviously an inside job, with rules that you cannot desecrate a fake copy of the Koran. I can likely drone on for hours but the secret to cracking terrorist cells, is information it's that simple. Our enemy never even wore 'gloves' and we never bothered to take 'ours' off.

    If we're going to fight we need to keep our mission and objectives clear and we fight to win or we should just stay home.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Military members are forced to retire somewhere between 20 to 30 years of service depending on their rank, they do not have a choice to stay longer to a real retirement age, so it seems right to give them a modest retirement check that they receive right away. They have to start all over with a second career whether they like it or not, while civilians can stay doing what they do, until a real retirement age.
    Thats a good point. However, with all of the other entitlements given to service members (GI Bill, hiring preference, great job searching resources), I think the retirement age could be pushed.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ah. and how do you propose we do this? and what do you propose we do when they demure to take on an asymetrical force that may be popular with their populace? and how do you expect us to deal with the threat of narco-cartels on the border?

    you don't get to pick your enemies. the dream of fighting only linear nation states is gone. even the linear nation states are well aware of our preference to avoid civilian casualties and seek to deploy their military in such a way as to take advantage of that (see: Iraq).
    no, we don't pick our enemies, but we reward our TRUE friends and ignore our enemies....if they attack us anywhere, we retaliatie in kind. After 9/11, we SHOULD have presented a bill to Saudi Arabia, and if they don't pay up, we send them military hardware on the wing, bomb the crap out of their military forces, then present them with an adjusted bill, to pay for the bombs.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill;1060662580[B
    ]ah. and how do you propose we do this? and what do you propose we do when they demure to take on an asymetrical force that may be popular with their populace[/B]? and how do you expect us to deal with the threat of narco-cartels on the border?

    you don't get to pick your enemies. the dream of fighting only linear nation states is gone. even the linear nation states are well aware of our preference to avoid civilian casualties and seek to deploy their military in such a way as to take advantage of that (see: Iraq).
    you defeated your own question.

    read general petraeus's coin strategy,basically the strategy that would have won vietnam but wasnt discovered until late iraq.the idea is that the enemy fights us through propoganda,every civilian we kill that we cant prove as absolutely necessary the taliban uses for propoganda through the media to turn people against us.but winning the hearts and minds of the people(something bush said but never practiced until gen petraeus said to)by not killing them needlessly and provingwe are better protection than alquaeda,causes the people to fight al quaeda.

    the afghani army just needs to be taught this strategy,and they will win control,as aq and the taliban's only strategy is to use propoganda to make us think the war is unwinnable,then when we leave take over.if the afghani army can be taught the same strategy,they could effectively combat them.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Thats a good point. However, with all of the other entitlements given to service members (GI Bill, hiring preference, great job searching resources), I think the retirement age could be pushed.
    I'm sincerely curious as to why you think military benefits are entitlements? No one gives these to you, you earn them.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you don't get to pick your enemies. the dream of fighting only linear nation states is gone. even the linear nation states are well aware of our preference to avoid civilian casualties and seek to deploy their military in such a way as to take advantage of that (see: Iraq).
    I agree with this, and have thought it for quite some time. Unfortunately, I'm not sure our military leadership has quite grasp it yet. Or, if they have at least grasped the idea, they don't know how to respond and plan accordingly.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Whatever might be chosen as a cutback, I would suggest that it only be effective for new people. I am not a fan of changing the rules on people retroactively. This would minimize any current savings, I am aware.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne375 View Post
    I'm sincerely curious as to why you think military benefits are entitlements? No one gives these to you, you earn them.
    Hence the old joke that everything is an entitlement except to the person who receives it.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Hence the old joke that everything is an entitlement except to the person who receives it.
    Something tells me it's a joke that wasn't made up by someone who worked 6-7 days a week for $500 and change a month and kissed away his legal protections at the same time. Oh I got $100 for jump pay, was that an entitlement too? Assuming your fortunate enough to have a job, is your salary an entitlement?

    There has to be a line or definition somewhere, I was curious where it lie around these parts.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne375 View Post
    Something tells me it's a joke that wasn't made up by someone who worked 6-7 days a week for $500 and change a month and kissed away his legal protections at the same time. Oh I got $100 for jump pay, was that an entitlement too? Assuming your fortunate enough to have a job, is your salary an entitlement?

    There has to be a line or definition somewhere, I was curious where it lie around these parts.
    Military members receive benefits after retiring from the military. I agree with those benefits, but it is by definition an entitlement. "Well I did *this* so I deserve *that*".
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