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    4 13.33%
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    2 6.67%
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    well marine you may argue about no flying ammo cans should happen,but they,alot.especially on the maxxpro mraps harnesses and nets for gear is almost non existent,during my initial mrap training shown the army maxxpro mrap statistics the army had that soldiers died more from the mraps during ied attacks than they did in other uparmored,most humvees lack the same equipment to secure anything,some come with netting systems.the only military truck that deals with this problem is the lmtv/mtv family that has rear compartments with nets to secure all heacy objects.
    Sorry dude but sounds like a discipline and SOP problem to me. There are many, many thing you can use to tie down stuff in a vic. The Army needs to learn to get creative like we have had to. 550 cord, duct tape, ammo straps, and weapons slings are all things we have used to accomplish this. I will give up my 550 cord or sling in a minute to save from being hit by a can of .50 cal ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    on the subjects of rifles,i mean brand new m-16 and m-4 rifles,traditionally the military would repair and maintain the existing rifles,but lately alot of units have been buying them brand new,not sure if its part of a military initiative to replace older stockpiles or just a reason for contractors to make money(i think its the latter)
    Oh okay, gotcha. That is a good point.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    We have earned these entitlements by our service to this country. While civilians are resting comfortably in their beds we are on ships at sea or fight in some country to protect you.......We miss holidays, birthdays and watching our children grow up. We do it voluntarily....The gov made a promise and we signed a contract......Our benefits are not wlefare......Like I said we have earned them......
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I support cuts to the defense budget in the near future. We can make those cuts without making our troops sacrifice. Efficiency improvements alone in a 700 billion budget could account for significant savings.
    Are you really serious..........Hussein Obama is proposing a billion dollars in cuts> Where the hell do you think they would come from?
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    If you cut benefits for our military it will affect enlistment...........People would not enlist........You would have to have a draft.........Do you people that want to cut want to be drafted?
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We have earned these entitlements by our service to this country. While civilians are resting comfortably in their beds we are on ships at sea or fight in some country to protect you.......We miss holidays, birthdays and watching our children grow up. We do it voluntarily....The gov made a promise and we signed a contract......Our benefits are not wlefare......Like I said we have earned them......
    We earned some of them......and like you said, we also volunteered for the hardships. I'm not saying military guys don't deserve some benefits. From the head trauma, back/knee, and shoulder issues I have developed, I plan on compensation for it. But I also think we should be willing to give up some things. Namely retirement age IMO. The gov't could save massive amounts of money if the military retired at 55 vice immediately upon retirement. If we picked up a bigger chunk of the co-pay from injuries/sickness not related to military service it would help a lot.
    If we would just stop being so wasteful it would help. I'm talking down at the enlisted level. Everday, run of the mill servicemembers waste a lot of materials just because they don't personally pay for it. Leaders should be graded on how fiscally responsible they are just as much as how tactically proficient they are. You can't go to war without the bullets, beans, and bandages, no matter how tactically proficient a unit is. If you pit a great tactical General against a great logistical General, I bet you the logistical General wins 8 times out of 10.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If you cut benefits for our military it will affect enlistment...........People would not enlist........You would have to have a draft.........Do you people that want to cut want to be drafted?
    Depends, if politicians kids can be drafted than that may force them to make slightly more considered and intelligent decisions in our interventionist plans.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    We earned some of them......and like you said, we also volunteered for the hardships. I'm not saying military guys don't deserve some benefits. From the head trauma, back/knee, and shoulder issues I have developed, I plan on compensation for it. But I also think we should be willing to give up some things. Namely retirement age IMO. The gov't could save massive amounts of money if the military retired at 55 vice immediately upon retirement. If we picked up a bigger chunk of the co-pay from injuries/sickness not related to military service it would help a lot.
    Military members are forced to retire somewhere between 20 to 30 years of service depending on their rank, they do not have a choice to stay longer to a real retirement age, so it seems right to give them a modest retirement check that they receive right away. They have to start all over with a second career whether they like it or not, while civilians can stay doing what they do, until a real retirement age.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    The gov't could save massive amounts of money if the military retired at 55 vice immediately upon retirement.
    Or let the 20-30 year warhorses work for various defense contractors until he reached retirement age. Contractors receive a boatload of 'can do' and the warhorses get a good if not cushy job to work until he can retire at whatever age.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We shouldn't be fighting AQ directly, we should be helping ME countris fight AQ...
    ah. and how do you propose we do this? and what do you propose we do when they demure to take on an asymetrical force that may be popular with their populace? and how do you expect us to deal with the threat of narco-cartels on the border?

    you don't get to pick your enemies. the dream of fighting only linear nation states is gone. even the linear nation states are well aware of our preference to avoid civilian casualties and seek to deploy their military in such a way as to take advantage of that (see: Iraq).

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    I never saw much good in lifers in my time. Do your service for your country then get a job. It should be like jury duty, do it then get on with your life unless you have aspirations of being a general, then by all means devote your life to the military but if you are sitting on a ship or in some cushy Euro base doing your time for the early retirement and vet benefits I have nothing good to say about you.

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