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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Most of the time it’s thru attrition…at least that’s the way it used to be.
    but...but...but...we need to keep those gubmint jobs because it's great for the economy!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Agreed. Secretary Gates essentially stated that unless we get healthcare costs in the military under control, there won't be money for weapons. And the US spends more on defense then the majority of the entire world combined.
    Wow. What do we spend on offense?

    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    I saw waste every day in the Army too. We were supposed to have gone electronic to save paper, but we (as one company) must have wasted at least a ton of paper every fiscal year. We wasted fuel, energy, resources, all of it. I'm not even counting training, just the stupid ****. Hundreds of thousands down the ****ter every year, and that's just one company.
    To be fair, the whole "paperless" thing has proven to be a myth everywhere. It's not just the military.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    but...but...but...we need to keep those gubmint jobs because it's great for the economy!
    We'll bring em home a send them to OKC and let haul oil well supplies...on the cheap.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Reduction in manpower,
    I was in the Navy....when at sea, I felt we were adequately staffed, but when on shore duty, I felt we had way too many bench warmers. Of the approximately 10 enlisted technicians in our group, half were lazy or incompetent, and we still had more workers than we had work to do. And a lot of young officers were sitting at desks doing work that mid-level enlisteds could do. These young officers also spent a lot of time out of the office. Long lunch hours were common. the ratio of officers to enlisted was high, much higher than WWII, according to Admiral Rickover. He was very vocal about this issue...
    We would need less boots on the ground if we just forget about ground troops in places like the ME, just blast the hell out of their defenses first, then any and all offensive weapons larger than a rifle, and then leave them to clean up the mess.
    Smart hardware purchases...
    No way should congress force the military to take hardware they don't want or need just to keep employment high somewhere.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Reduction in manpower,
    I was in the Navy....when at sea, I felt we were adequately staffed, but when on shore duty, I felt we had way too many bench warmers. Of the approximately 10 enlisted technicians in our group, half were lazy or incompetent, and we still had more workers than we had work to do. And a lot of young officers were sitting at desks doing work that mid-level enlisteds could do. These young officers also spent a lot of time out of the office. Long lunch hours were common. the ratio of officers to enlisted was high, much higher than WWII, according to Admiral Rickover. He was very vocal about this issue...

    all true enough.

    We would need less boots on the ground if we just forget about ground troops in places like the ME, just blast the hell out of their defenses first, then any and all offensive weapons larger than a rifle, and then leave them to clean up the mess.
    interesting idea. How would you handle the massive civilian casualties that would result from this aim-for-a-tie strategy?

    No way should congress force the military to take hardware they don't want or need just to keep employment high somewhere.
    daggum right. I think I read somewhere that the F-35 had something like 500 representatives in Congress when you looked at where they had decided to put one part of assembly or another.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    all true enough.



    interesting idea. How would you handle the massive civilian casualties that would result from this aim-for-a-tie strategy?



    daggum right. I think I read somewhere that the F-35 had something like 500 representatives in Congress when you looked at where they had decided to put one part of assembly or another.

    They always used the military to pay back their friends...Pentagon is used as a money launderer of sorts....Never should anything be purchased, or the development pursued for any other reason than to enhance our troop safety and capability. Its a disgrace how much is squandered for all wrong reasons.

    We can talk about duds in the military and anyone who has ever served knows theres duds...but tell me what profession doesnt have any.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    To be fair, the whole "paperless" thing has proven to be a myth everywhere. It's not just the military.
    The military gets crazy with it. My first unit went through about a rainforest a year.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Mullen: 18 veterans kill themselves every day in the U.S. | The Raw Story

    "Navy Admiral Mike Mullen (ret.), former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told an audience in Aspen this weekend that military has “18 vets a day who are killing themselves in the United States” due to the incomprehensible stresses of military life, which he said are compounded by a public that is increasingly disconnected from the ongoing wars.

    "Military suicides rose dramatically after the start of the Iraq war, according to a recent study by the Army’s Public Health Command. That same study found that in 2008, 1 in 5 U.S. soldiers voluntarily submitted to a mental health evaluation, “implying a prevalent public health problem.” Since then, the military’s suicide rate has continued to climb, hitting a 10-year high in 2012, even though U.S. forces are almost entirely withdrawn from Iraq."
    No way it is 18 a day. Maybe 1 a day. Of course, whatever it is, it is too many people finding a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

    And about the thread subject, I don't think suicides have anything to do with retirement benefits.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    all true enough.



    interesting idea. How would you handle the massive civilian casualties that would result from this aim-for-a-tie strategy?



    daggum right. I think I read somewhere that the F-35 had something like 500 representatives in Congress when you looked at where they had decided to put one part of assembly or another.
    what massive civilian casualties? cruise missles and smart bombs in a daylight raid on military targets....once the leaders no longer have a military, they tend to fight less....
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