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    1 3.33%
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    2 6.67%
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    The consequential outcome of joining the service inherently requires the surrendering of potentially giving away your life, which for many becomes a reality, to which only their families can react.

    The USA has a mercenary army. This system allows for much of what it does globally, for if the poor didn't enlist for reasons of monetary concern (i.e., those with limited or no other options and those unable to afford college and in need of a scholarship), the army would be far weaker. The USA foreign policy couldn't remain with a draft army, for people would have more invested and, therefore, greater care about global involvement.

    What should military personnel be willing to sacrifice? They already sacrifice so much.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    ...None of the current wars have been about freedom, democracy, justice, liberty...
    We never fought a war for any of those things, except liberty and freedom. Even then it was the wrong way to go at the time, on both sides.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Look at the link above:



    You are so right, can't make any significant cuts without hitting two items that account for only about half of military spending....
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I vote other. We need to make cuts where our military spending that is the most wasteful, and that is not in the pay and benefits of our troops.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Cute, but there is nothing magical about cutting waste in our excessive military spending. Did you miss Tessa's very concrete examples, all of which should come before making cuts to our troops who are already underpaid.

    Why is it that Libbos are balls to the wall to cut waste in military spending, but say nothing about the waste in other government spending?
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Soooo…whatcher sayen is everyone from full birds,to pfc’s will be in the Oceanside Brach of CA.'s ’unemployment line if the 11’th gets cut/decommissioned?
    When you shut down a regiment, you lose the billets associated with it. So yes, that means we have one less colonel slot, 4 less Lt Col slots, goodness knows how many fewer SSgt slots.... etc, which means that there is a great squeezing process and the necessary number get squeezed out.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    When you shut down a regiment, you lose the billets associated with it. So yes, that means we have one less colonel slot, 4 less Lt Col slots, goodness knows how many fewer SSgt slots.... etc, which means that there is a great squeezing process and the necessary number get squeezed out.
    Most of the time it’s thru attrition…at least that’s the way it used to be.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I "liked" the OP because it is a well-articulated method of cutting the military budget that will cause the least financial pain for those who have probably already started a second career.

    However, there are a hell of a lot of military cuts that should be made long before any of those who have already sacrificed much should be asked to sacrifice more.
    I tend to agree with this, but if a direct cut to the troops were necessary I think I'd choose holding off retirement payments until age 55 as the OP suggested. I would advocate letting them keep medical benefits between retirement day and age 55, though.
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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by treedancer View Post
    Most of the time it’s thru attrition…at least that’s the way it used to be.
    Well the way they are doing it (USMC side, at least) is to make promotion more competitive and difficult and then increasing the "up or out" standards. Which is a good general approach - though for some MOS's it works better than others. So you lower the max time in for Sgts to 10 years and then cut the number of slots for SSgt by a third... and everyone that doesn't get promoted is given an involuntary separations check and sent to SEPS/TAPS.

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    Re: What should military members be willing to sacrifice first?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I tend to agree with this, but if a direct cut to the troops were necessary I think I'd choose holding off retirement payments until age 55 as the OP suggested. I would advocate letting them keep medical benefits between retirement day and age 55, though.
    the problem being that medical is what's eating us. Maybe medical for retirees only for those with a certain level of disability.
    Last edited by cpwill; 07-04-12 at 10:22 PM.

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