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Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 12.5%
  • No

    Votes: 14 87.5%

  • Total voters
    16
Fist of all, you don't need 2 GB on XP machine. :lol:
Second, yes, it should be illegal and so should be every secret agreement to manipulate the world affairs.



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How exactly is this going to be pulled off. Is the government going to require companies to use a certain number of patents? Will regulators examine products to make sure that they are "advanced enough" before they are released? I can see a lot of companies not producing things or jacking up prices so that they conform to the rules. This might make some products a bit better, but I cannot possibly think that the costs wont be passed on to consumers. As much as a I hate companies doing this sort of thing, I can't think of a way of using regulation to stop it. Perhaps a better way would be to put limits on patents to limit patent trolling. This way more companies could take advantage of new technologies, and force greater competition.
 
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Eh no, I get what your saying but, no. As Lew states in his article: "would you rather pay 200$ for a blender that last 30 years or a 10$ blender that last 5 years". If someone is producing an inferior product, why would you not just buy a better product? The free market tends to weed these things out, though patents help protect inventors/manufactuers, they actually hurt the consumer by not allowing competition to increase quality or lower cost by finding better ways to produce the product.
 
...wouldn't that lead to stagnation in regards to technological advancement? Microsoft creates new a new OS to improve upon the previous OS (as does Apple, and all those who constantly work on Linux). If a company is forced by law to make something as advanced/long lasting as possible, we're still stuck with the limitations of available ideas and technological discovery for that particular time.

I'd rather promote the rapid-fire progression of technology. I totally understand and accept that the laptop I paid $480 for in January is probably only worth about half that now because newer, faster, more powerful units pop up almost weekly. That's fine. I'll still be able to use it for quite some time before it needs replacing. I don't use any programs that require repeated or extensive updating, so I'll not likely be limited by the exclusion of my OS from new software developments (seriously...some software is still compatible with Windows98....I think I'm fine with Windows7 for awhile...).
 
Planned obsolescence is when your washing machine is designed to break after a few years to make you buy a new one. Computers simply have such rapid advancement that its impossible to make anything that won't quickly be replaced by something better. Your old machine won't stop working, but most people are willing to spend a relatively small amount of money to get the vastly superior model.
 
How exactly is this going to be pulled off. Is the government going to require companies to use a certain number of patents? Will regulators examine products to make sure that they are "advanced enough" before they are released? I can see a lot of companies not producing things or jacking up prices so that they conform to the rules. This might make some products a bit better, but I cannot possibly think that the costs wont be passed on to consumers. As much as a I hate companies doing this sort of thing, I can't think of a way of using regulation to stop it. Perhaps a better way would be to put limits on patents to limit patent trolling. This way more companies could take advantage of new technologies, and force greater competition.

I can think of a way:

US Law 45q8u7543.2

planned obsolescence is hereby made illegal.

Courts decide the rest, TADAA.
 
...wouldn't that lead to stagnation in regards to technological advancement? Microsoft creates new a new OS to improve upon the previous OS (as does Apple, and all those who constantly work on Linux). If a company is forced by law to make something as advanced/long lasting as possible, we're still stuck with the limitations of available ideas and technological discovery for that particular time.

I'd rather promote the rapid-fire progression of technology. I totally understand and accept that the laptop I paid $480 for in January is probably only worth about half that now because newer, faster, more powerful units pop up almost weekly. That's fine. I'll still be able to use it for quite some time before it needs replacing. I don't use any programs that require repeated or extensive updating, so I'll not likely be limited by the exclusion of my OS from new software developments (seriously...some software is still compatible with Windows98....I think I'm fine with Windows7 for awhile...).

Windows XP not recognizing more than 2GB is not a hardware problem, it's a matter of flipping a switch to allow more gig to be used.
 
Eh no, I get what your saying but, no. As Lew states in his article: "would you rather pay 200$ for a blender that last 30 years or a 10$ blender that last 5 years".

Problem with that is that all manufacturers follow the most profitable manufacturer's example = lying to the consumer.

If someone is producing an inferior product, why would you not just buy a better product?

"planned obsolescence"

The free market tends to weed these things out,

No it doesn't.

though patents help protect inventors/manufactuers, they actually hurt the consumer by not allowing competition to increase quality or lower cost by finding better ways to produce the product.

If it weren't for a patent system you'd still be cutting wheat stalks with a sickle.
 
Xp recognizes up to 4 gigs of total system memory, counting cache, motherboard ram and video ram.

At the time it, it didn't make sense to program the software to recognize more than that.

There's no such thing as, "Too much RAM" no matter what decade you live in.
 
Xp recognizes up to 4 gigs of total system memory, counting cache, motherboard ram and video ram.

Almost.

On X86 systems, it's 4GB, on X64 systems, it's 128 GB maximum.
 
Planned obsolescence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm thinking of Windows XP that doesn't recognize more than 2 GIG of RAM.

Its actually ~3.3gb (usable) and in 2003 that was a ****ton of memory.

Also, it can go to more than 4gb with an x86 architecture using stuff like PAE which is like the 32bit version of himem.sys with all the included suckiness. Better to just go to 64bit and be done with it for the next couple of decades at least (probably much much longer)
 
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Planned obsolescence is when your washing machine is designed to break after a few years to make you buy a new one. Computers simply have such rapid advancement that its impossible to make anything that won't quickly be replaced by something better. Your old machine won't stop working, but most people are willing to spend a relatively small amount of money to get the vastly superior model.

Oh they can design a washing machine that will probably last you forever, but strap yourself in before looking at the pricetag.
 
Oh they can design a washing machine that will probably last you forever, but strap yourself in before looking at the pricetag.

I get that, and in general save up for the "quality" product over the "disposable" one. I don't have lots of stuff, but what I do have tends to be top notch.

One thing though. Imagine a world where everything is the BEST thing instead of the most profitable in the short term. If that washing machine lasts forever, then it will be "passed down" to someone who can't afford it new when someone who can upgrades.

Theoretically, our "discards" would eventually become the property of the very poor, possibly in other countries.

Its a fundamentally different model, but one where resources are conserved and waste minimized.

Unfortunately it would limit bonus justifying short term profits, so it ain't gonna happen.
 
There was a car manufacturere in the U.S. years ago by the name of Packard automotive, they made the best cars from a mechanical standpoint and actually sold competitively for a while, they went out of business for one key reason, they couldn't sell enough parts to keep profits up. The cars were a bit pricier than other vehicles but they didn't break as often, so while people were keeping the Chevy's, Fords, etc. for the vehicle's life cycles they were buying replacement parts while Packards were lasting longer and selling few parts in comparison, due to those two factors the company could not sustain a profitable margin. Companies started going to the planned obsolesence model years ago to maintain a minimal demand curve while keeping maximum consumers in the market by offering products with a shorter life cycle.

Should it be illegal? Hell no, as many have pointed out consumers can buy a very expensive product with a very long life cycle and all the amenities, but they aren't prohibited from the market's entry level by prices out of their range, they will spend a mere fraction of what they would spend on the highest end product and get more utility than the actual price. Finally, with the constant improvements and rapid pace of such, consumers actually end up with a superior product for an equal or better price to that which they replaced.
 
I get that, and in general save up for the "quality" product over the "disposable" one. I don't have lots of stuff, but what I do have tends to be top notch.

One thing though. Imagine a world where everything is the BEST thing instead of the most profitable in the short term. If that washing machine lasts forever, then it will be "passed down" to someone who can't afford it new when someone who can upgrades.

Theoretically, our "discards" would eventually become the property of the very poor, possibly in other countries.

Its a fundamentally different model, but one where resources are conserved and waste minimized.

Unfortunately it would limit bonus justifying short term profits, so it ain't gonna happen.

You need to stop looking at everything in terms of a narrow concept of profit and greed. It's not that simple.
 
You need to stop looking at everything in terms of a narrow concept of profit and greed. It's not that simple.

Its not "narrow" when virtually every thing and every institution is the one that yields the highest short term profit.

That is the metric by which almost everything in our society is judged.

Parse our society with Occams Razor and "short term profit" is the primary result.
 
There was a car manufacturere in the U.S. years ago by the name of Packard automotive, they made the best cars from a mechanical standpoint and actually sold competitively for a while, they went out of business for one key reason, they couldn't sell enough parts to keep profits up. The cars were a bit pricier than other vehicles but they didn't break as often, so while people were keeping the Chevy's, Fords, etc. for the vehicle's life cycles they were buying replacement parts while Packards were lasting longer and selling few parts in comparison, due to those two factors the company could not sustain a profitable margin. Companies started going to the planned obsolesence model years ago to maintain a minimal demand curve while keeping maximum consumers in the market by offering products with a shorter life cycle.

Should it be illegal? Hell no, as many have pointed out consumers can buy a very expensive product with a very long life cycle and all the amenities, but they aren't prohibited from the market's entry level by prices out of their range, they will spend a mere fraction of what they would spend on the highest end product and get more utility than the actual price. Finally, with the constant improvements and rapid pace of such, consumers actually end up with a superior product for an equal or better price to that which they replaced.

So in your world products that break down are superior.
 
I get that, and in general save up for the "quality" product over the "disposable" one. I don't have lots of stuff, but what I do have tends to be top notch.

One thing though. Imagine a world where everything is the BEST thing instead of the most profitable in the short term.

planned obsolescence is only profitable for the unscrupulous rich. Screw them.
 
Its actually ~3.3gb (usable) and in 2003 that was a ****ton of memory.

And Microsoft knew that we'd be using more.

Also, it can go to more than 4gb with an x86 architecture using stuff like PAE which is like the 32bit version of himem.sys with all the included suckiness. Better to just go to 64bit and be done with it for the next couple of decades at least (probably much much longer)

It's not a hardware thing.
 
Almost.

On X86 systems, it's 4GB, on X64 systems, it's 128 GB maximum.

And Microsoft knew that we'd be using more.


It's not a hardware thing.

2^32 = 4gb its a limitation on the bus size and address space.


also on x64, the addressable space is 16 exabytes as the theoretical limit.
 
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planned obsolescence is only profitable for the unscrupulous rich. Screw them.

That is rediculous. Consider recorded music media, as an example. We can have NONE until you define what is going to be used FOREVER. We started with rolled drums (I think), then went to records (vinyl 78, 45 and 33 1/3 rpm), then magnetic tape (reel to reel), then for added portability to 8-track and cassette tapes, and now we have CDs, iPods and other digital storage devices. In your view, making any ADVANCES illegal, what would we have NOW (or must we still wait and see)?
 
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