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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Wrong again.

    Most of you obviously don't get what "planned obsolescence" actually is. No it's not using Titanium when cheaper steel could be used, what it is is deliberately using bad welding spots so it eventually breaks. And no deliberately making bad welding spots DOES NOT INCREASE THE PRICE OF MANUFACTURING.
    Sigh...Matt...If I build something and price it at 1,000 and it lasts 25 yrs...<refridgerator> that fridge costs you 40,00 a year to own....If I build that same fridge to last 10 yrs...the fridge now costs you a 100.00 year......Major appliances is the most obvious area of planned obsolescense....the price of some major appliance has actually gone down...or stayed pretty flat over a long period of years...to make them more initally affordable to more people....but they replace metal parts with plastic that wear....no appliances last anywhere near what they did....Extended warranties is where you pay the extra to get a little extra life.
    So dont try and tell me that planned obsolescense doesnt increase the COST to the consumer....I never said it increased the COST of the manufacturer.

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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Sigh...Matt...If I build something and price it at 1,000 and it lasts 25 yrs...<refridgerator> that fridge costs you 40,00 a year to own....If I build that same fridge to last 10 yrs...the fridge now costs you a 100.00 year......Major appliances is the most obvious area of planned obsolescense....the price of some major appliance has actually gone down...or stayed pretty flat over a long period of years...to make them more initally affordable to more people....but they replace metal parts with plastic that wear....no appliances last anywhere near what they did....Extended warranties is where you pay the extra to get a little extra life.
    So dont try and tell me that planned obsolescense doesnt increase the COST to the consumer....I never said it increased the COST of the manufacturer.
    Lighter parts in general. Interestingly the reason older products last longer is they are heavy as ****. Heavy parts in older vehicles almost never break, same with older appliances and the impossible to total older televisions. Musicians have gone back to vacuum tube amplifiers even though they are heavier and costlier because they can push more power. The interesting thing is that if someone keeps buying cheap they will lose, but if someone uses the cheaper products with a shorter life cycle simply as a market entry point to upgrade as their economic situation improves the quality of the consumers life tends to increase significantly. There is a place for planned obsolescence, consumers need to do the most research possible and weigh whether they want constant replacement to the current need or if the product needs to be of the utmost quality.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Lighter parts in general. Interestingly the reason older products last longer is they are heavy as ****. Heavy parts in older vehicles almost never break, same with older appliances and the impossible to total older televisions. Musicians have gone back to vacuum tube amplifiers even though they are heavier and costlier because they can push more power. The interesting thing is that if someone keeps buying cheap they will lose, but if someone uses the cheaper products with a shorter life cycle simply as a market entry point to upgrade as their economic situation improves the quality of the consumers life tends to increase significantly. There is a place for planned obsolescence, consumers need to do the most research possible and weigh whether they want constant replacement to the current need or if the product needs to be of the utmost quality.
    The maytag rep was in lowes, I was buying a front load dryer...hes been with maytag 34 yrs ready to retire...we talked about when maytag used to be the best built least repaired. He laughed and said we were, we used all metal spokes, wheels, parts, grommets and gears...but the company couldnt afford it...came to a point for that kind of build quality priced us out of the market...interestingly he said they arent built to not last as long...they are built not to last as long without you buying parts from us another words they main components are built well they build in other breaking points to get more of your money.

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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The maytag rep was in lowes, I was buying a front load dryer...hes been with maytag 34 yrs ready to retire...we talked about when maytag used to be the best built least repaired. He laughed and said we were, we used all metal spokes, wheels, parts, grommets and gears...but the company couldnt afford it...came to a point for that kind of build quality priced us out of the market...interestingly he said they arent built to not last as long...they are built not to last as long without you buying parts from us another words they main components are built well they build in other breaking points to get more of your money.
    Absolutely true. The sad fact is that with durable goods there has to be a parts market, like the Packard motors example I posted earlier in the thread. You have to make a good product, but if it is "too good" then there is no service sector and only x amount of consumers, it is actually possible to make a product so well that you cannot sell enough to stay in business.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Absolutely true. The sad fact is that with durable goods there has to be a parts market, like the Packard motors example I posted earlier in the thread. You have to make a good product, but if it is "too good" then there is no service sector and only x amount of consumers, it is actually possible to make a product so well that you cannot sell enough to stay in business.
    Yup...thus the planned obsolescense or Quality Control...

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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Problem with that is that all manufacturers follow the most profitable manufacturer's example = lying to the consumer.
    Yeah, it's called advertising.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Absolutely true. The sad fact is that with durable goods there has to be a parts market, like the Packard motors example I posted earlier in the thread. You have to make a good product, but if it is "too good" then there is no service sector and only x amount of consumers, it is actually possible to make a product so well that you cannot sell enough to stay in business.
    *scratches head*

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