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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    So you too think MS should have designed XP to work with an infinite amount of memory. Interesting.

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    Now to attempt to address the point:

    Of course WANTING things isn't bad. OF COURSE there are limitations - what made me ask the question is because I Was under the impression that you were questioning his statement regarding an OS capping memory access.

    Even though the maximum amount of RAM supported, that can be mapped, accessed, read from/written to is ultimately limited by your CPU[s], there is nothing that stops an operating system from limiting that further. I'm not saying XP does that, or Microsoft does that, but further limiting the amount of memory an operating system, and the programs that run within uses, it is completely feasible from a computer architecture standpoint.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Now to attempt to address the point:

    Of course WANTING things isn't bad. OF COURSE there are limitations - what made me ask the question is because I Was under the impression that you were questioning his statement regarding an OS capping memory access.

    Even though the maximum amount of RAM supported, that can be mapped, accessed, read from/written to is ultimately limited by your CPU[s], there is nothing that stops an operating system from limiting that further. I'm not saying XP does that, or Microsoft does that, but further limiting the amount of memory an operating system, and the programs that run within uses, it is completely feasible from a computer architecture standpoint.
    It's not what is possible. It's what is practical.

    Since you are the expert on this subject, please expain to the class what would be required for MS to have designed WinXP running on the platform for which it was designed to map an infinite (hell, I'll settle for infinite - 1) amount of memory for an application running under it to access. Also, please explain what this requirement have done to the development cost and selling price of XP?

    Thanks and eagerly awaiting your reply.....


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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    It's not what is possible. It's what is practical.

    Since you are the expert on this subject, please expain to the class what would be required for MS to have designed WinXP running on the platform for which it was designed to map an infinite (hell, I'll settle for infinite - 1) amount of memory for an application running under it to access. Also, please explain what this requirement have done to the development cost and selling price of XP?

    Thanks and eagerly awaiting your reply.....


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    It actually takes more coding time to CAP memory access, than to leave that decision to the application.

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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Now to attempt to address the point:

    Of course WANTING things isn't bad. OF COURSE there are limitations - what made me ask the question is because I Was under the impression that you were questioning his statement regarding an OS capping memory access.

    Even though the maximum amount of RAM supported, that can be mapped, accessed, read from/written to is ultimately limited by your CPU[s], there is nothing that stops an operating system from limiting that further. I'm not saying XP does that, or Microsoft does that, but further limiting the amount of memory an operating system, and the programs that run within uses, it is completely feasible from a computer architecture standpoint.
    Actually WinXP does exactly that, it caps way below what the hardware is capable of.

    It's the same thing with DirectX11. WinXP caps at DirectX10, forcing the "consumer" to buy another OS to use what the HARDWARE is capable of doing.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Actually WinXP does exactly that, it caps way below what the hardware is capable of.

    It's the same thing with DirectX11. WinXP caps at DirectX10, forcing the "consumer" to buy another OS to use what the HARDWARE is capable of doing.
    What application NEEDS that much RAM?
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What application NEEDS that much RAM?
    Everything beyond sitting idle at the desktop.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What application NEEDS that much RAM?
    I'm running Garry's Mod, steam game, at its highest settings on my computer + fraps screen recording software at 60FPS, full size [as opposed to being shrunken down "half size"] - you'd be surprised how much memory that eats up.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Everything beyond sitting idle at the desktop.
    For games, maybe.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    I'm running Garry's Mod, steam game, at its highest settings on my computer + fraps screen recording software at 60FPS, full size [as opposed to being shrunken down "half size"] - you'd be surprised how much memory that eats up.
    Ugh, Garry's Mod.

    My nephew plays that. Keep saying to him, "Why do you keep playing that, it's so pointless. You just float around and spawn things." He gets mad at me.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    What I said is the same spirit with everything that's in the Constitution.

    That's not very Libertarian'esque of you to mock the Constitution like that. I thought LIbertarians were all Constitutionally.
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