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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Sigh.

    I already explained this to you. When XP was released, that was a ****ton of memory.
    As with most Bill Gates (Microsoft) OS bloatware, it is designed to force you to use mostly their limitted intended hardware platforms, peripheral devices and proprietary user software packages, maximizing their profits. Want a better OS, then simply buy it. You pay what you get for (and vice versa). ;-)
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    I can think of a way:



    Courts decide the rest, TADAA.
    Cool non-answer. How are you going to create a concrete definition of planned obsolescence that manufacturers of everything from blenders to i-pads can easily understand and relate to their individual product? It would take years and countless lawsuits for any type of standard to start to emerge, and there is no way that such a test would suitably apply to every single product. Either the law will go largely unenforced, making it pointless, or an army of lawyers will start suing companies in an uneven, arbitrary manner, making technological development much, much harder. There's no way they would go after everyone, and many companies could face litigation that they do not expect because prosecutors have different standards of planned obsolescence then they do. The easiest way to kill an industry is not to ban it outright, but to make the rules for it uncertain.

    BTW even if this law was written, enforced, and understood by manufacturers perfectly, it ignores the inevitable upswing in prices of these products.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    ...Computers simply have such rapid advancement that its impossible to make anything that won't quickly be replaced by something better. ...
    This. I'm upgrading from my five year old computer, and have learned that today's computers to my old computer is like my old computer to one that came out ten years before that. It's crazy.

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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    So in your world products that break down are superior.
    Every finished good has a life cycle, nothing lasts forever. Wood rots, metal rusts, parts break, the whole point I was making that you very much missed is that cheap stuff breaks faster, but because it was designed to have a shorter life cycle the R&D, labor, and parts are less expensive, so once the development costs go down more good stuff gets put into the model you replace the old one WITH. IOW, you end up getting more for either the same price or less, it's kind of like how only 1 of ten could afford the black and white original TV and now almost everybody has either an LED or plasma flat screen 720i or 1080p high resolution one.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Every finished good has a life cycle, nothing lasts forever.
    Ok how about I come to your house and bash your car window with a stick until it webs, and then I can put a nail in your tire. Hey, that would "spur economic activity", great for the entire economy.

    "Creative Destruction," how ****ing brilliant.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Cool non-answer. How are you going to create a concrete definition of planned obsolescence that manufacturers of everything from blenders to i-pads can easily understand and relate to their individual product? It would take years and countless lawsuits for any type of standard to start to emerge, and there is no way that such a test would suitably apply to every single product. Either the law will go largely unenforced, making it pointless, or an army of lawyers will start suing companies in an uneven, arbitrary manner, making technological development much, much harder. There's no way they would go after everyone, and many companies could face litigation that they do not expect because prosecutors have different standards of planned obsolescence then they do. The easiest way to kill an industry is not to ban it outright, but to make the rules for it uncertain.
    That's how the Constitution works. It's short and sweet. Don't Libertarians like the Constitution and short and sweet laws?
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Sigh.

    I already explained this to you. When XP was released, that was a ****ton of memory.
    Sigh

    I already explained to you. Microsoft built windows with "planned obsolescence". All they had to do was recognize whatever the **** memory the customer put on. In fact it probably takes more code to limit the amount of memory recognize by this OS.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Most software is designed to run in a known hardware environment, especially operating system software for PCs. I have worked on many such systems, even modified a few to exceed their designed limits, e.g. used MS-DOS in a networked, multiprocessor, distributed environment, with a GUI shell over it.
    Everyone knew people were going to be using more than 2 gigs in a few years, when WinXP came out. Title here is "planned obsolescence", and it fits in just fine.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I think that the reverse is true. One does not KNOW, when something is made, if it will last or not (become obsolete). Would you outlaw all but "state of the art" (changing very fast) or freeze product innovation, for a fixed period of time, until a significant "new standard" is achieved?
    Everyone KNEW ram would increase.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    That's how the Constitution works. It's short and sweet. Don't Libertarians like the Constitution and short and sweet laws?
    I like laws to be clear and simple. This law almost certainly would not be.
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