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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I get that, and in general save up for the "quality" product over the "disposable" one. I don't have lots of stuff, but what I do have tends to be top notch.

    One thing though. Imagine a world where everything is the BEST thing instead of the most profitable in the short term.
    planned obsolescence is only profitable for the unscrupulous rich. Screw them.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Oh they can design a washing machine that will probably last you forever, but strap yourself in before looking at the pricetag.
    They wouldn't be more expensive of planned obsolescence were made illegal.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its actually ~3.3gb (usable) and in 2003 that was a ****ton of memory.
    And Microsoft knew that we'd be using more.

    Also, it can go to more than 4gb with an x86 architecture using stuff like PAE which is like the 32bit version of himem.sys with all the included suckiness. Better to just go to 64bit and be done with it for the next couple of decades at least (probably much much longer)
    It's not a hardware thing.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Almost.

    On X86 systems, it's 4GB, on X64 systems, it's 128 GB maximum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    And Microsoft knew that we'd be using more.


    It's not a hardware thing.
    2^32 = 4gb its a limitation on the bus size and address space.


    also on x64, the addressable space is 16 exabytes as the theoretical limit.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    planned obsolescence is only profitable for the unscrupulous rich. Screw them.
    That is rediculous. Consider recorded music media, as an example. We can have NONE until you define what is going to be used FOREVER. We started with rolled drums (I think), then went to records (vinyl 78, 45 and 33 1/3 rpm), then magnetic tape (reel to reel), then for added portability to 8-track and cassette tapes, and now we have CDs, iPods and other digital storage devices. In your view, making any ADVANCES illegal, what would we have NOW (or must we still wait and see)?
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is rediculous. Consider recording music, as an example. We can have NONE until you define what is going to be used FOREVER. We started with rolled drums (I think), then went to records (vinyl 78, 45 and 33 1/3 rpm), then magnetic tape (reel to reel), then for added portability to 8-track and cassette tapes, and now we have CDs, iPods and other digital storage devices. In your view, making any ADVANCES illegal, what would we have NOW?
    You obviously don't understand what the topic is about.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    2^32 = 4gb its a limitation on the bus size and address space.


    also on x64, the addressable space is 16 exabytes as the theoretical limit.
    I have an 64 bit computer with Windows XP, doesn't recognize more than 2 GIG. It's not a hardware problem.

    Wow what an enlightened culture we live in, not.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    You obviously don't understand what the topic is about.
    I think that the reverse is true. One does not KNOW, when something is made, if it will last or not (become obsolete). Would you outlaw all but "state of the art" (changing very fast) or freeze product innovation, for a fixed period of time, until a significant "new standard" is achieved?
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Planned obsolescence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I'm thinking of Windows XP that doesn't recognize more than 2 GIG of RAM.
    Most software is designed to run in a known hardware environment, especially operating system software for PCs. I have worked on many such systems, even modified a few to exceed their designed limits, e.g. used MS-DOS in a networked, multiprocessor, distributed environment, with a GUI shell over it.
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    Re: Should planned obsolescence be made illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    I have an 64 bit computer with Windows XP, doesn't recognize more than 2 GIG. It's not a hardware problem.

    Wow what an enlightened culture we live in, not.
    Sigh.

    I already explained this to you. When XP was released, that was a ****ton of memory.

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