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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    It's real. The auto makers use it to push new models every year. Without it, the auto industry wouldn't make nearly the money it did.
    Just last week I saw a blub on ABC news that the average age of car on American roads is now over 11 years, and that that is the highest it has ever been in history. A big part of the credit for this was given to increased reliability over past years.

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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Noisy and expensive. Americans only like diesels in trucks, because of the higher torque for work trucks and the loud noises for the immature males with big toys.
    Noisy? Expensive? So Americans aren't familiar with diesel cars. Gotcha. I can assure you that the VW Jetta is not noisy. And at 75 mpg it is not expensive.

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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    More than 80 years ago, GM boss Alfred Sloan figured out the way to keep his factories humming was to convince car buyers this year’s model is better than last year’s. By 1927, every American who could afford a new car already owned one, and as the average life of a new car was seven years, relying on more people being able to afford a new car for the first time, as well as existing customers replacing their old, worn-out cars, clearly was not a viable business strategy. Sloan’s insight became known as “planned obsolescence,” and it helped make GM the world’s largest and most profitable automaker.
    All I'm really saying is that planned obsolescence is clearly a real thing.

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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Noisy? Expensive? So Americans aren't familiar with diesel cars. Gotcha. I can assure you that the VW Jetta is not noisy. And at 75 mpg it is not expensive.
    Hey, I don't have a problem with diesels. But the Jetta is mostly for trendy young women, and they frankly don't like the knocking sound of the engine or the extra buck or two a gallon to fill up.

    No one ever said Americans had good car sense; we have pretty good taste, but no sense. We have the biggest physical size of cars in any market. We happily sacrifice MPG's for unessecary performance or luxury amenities. We ravenously devour SUVs so we can drive on our paved suburban streets.

    Don't try to apply logic to the US car market. You'll start bleeding from the eyes.

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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Just last week I saw a blub on ABC news that the average age of car on American roads is now over 11 years, and that that is the highest it has ever been in history. A big part of the credit for this was given to increased reliability over past years.

    I do not have a link.
    yes, cars are more reliable....they have to be or we won't buy them. The more something costs, the longer it should last.
    Personal electronics are relatively cheap to make, hard to repair, going obsolete by the day, so we don't mind getting the latest model every year or so, but a car is not cheap and there really isn't much improvement to be made in cars relevant to its intended purpose, that of transportaton.....
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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    More than 80 years ago, GM boss Alfred Sloan figured out the way to keep his factories humming was to convince car buyers this year’s model is better than last year’s. By 1927, every American who could afford a new car already owned one, and as the average life of a new car was seven years, relying on more people being able to afford a new car for the first time, as well as existing customers replacing their old, worn-out cars, clearly was not a viable business strategy. Sloan’s insight became known as “planned obsolescence,” and it helped make GM the world’s largest and most profitable automaker.
    All I'm really saying is that planned obsolescence is clearly a real thing.
    I'm not disputing that planned obsolescence exists. I agree it does (though not always to the depths that some claim). In the case you quoted here... which I have read before, albeit many years ago... to me that is more a case of good marketing rather than actually making the cars a POS.
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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'm not disputing that planned obsolescence exists. I agree it does (though not always to the depths that some claim). In the case you quoted here... which I have read before, albeit many years ago... to me that is more a case of good marketing rather than actually making the cars a POS.
    Exactly. PO is more marketing ploy than a devious plot to keep consumers funneling their money into the companies pockets.

    The trick to advertising is to get the consumer to feel as if they are getting something for nothing, while giving them nothing for something.

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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Hey, I don't have a problem with diesels. But the Jetta is mostly for trendy young women, and they frankly don't like the knocking sound of the engine or the extra buck or two a gallon to fill up.
    I have a male friend in his mid-50s that would disagree with this.

    I know, you said "mostly", but your comment brought him to mind. He is a serious VW devotee.


    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    No one ever said Americans had good car sense; we have pretty good taste, but no sense. We have the biggest physical size of cars in any market. We happily sacrifice MPG's for unessecary performance or luxury amenities. We ravenously devour SUVs so we can drive on our paved suburban streets.
    It always baffles me that whenever there's a huge spike in gas prices people suddenly want to drop their gas guzzler, and more fuel-efficient vehicles become more popular. But, as soon as prices fall, that new-found efficiency consciousness is dropped like a hot-potato, and gas-guzzler sales climb right back up again.


    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Don't try to apply logic to the US car market. You'll start bleeding from the eyes.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Exactly. PO is more marketing ploy than a devious plot to keep consumers funneling their money into the companies pockets.

    The trick to advertising is to get the consumer to feel as if they are getting something for nothing, while giving them nothing for something.
    It's sort of both.
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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Totally off topic, but why don't Americans like diesels?!?
    Because of this:
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