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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's a perfect example. Cellphones. Goes for computers, as well. Before new technology is released to the consumer, there's already "a better one" in the pipeline. Big screens the same thing. In fact, most technology products are designed and released for planned obsolescence. For that matter, so is clothing. I think I could go on and on . . .
    I think "planned obsolescence" exists to some degree, but to be fair sometimes it's just technology naturally advancing in leaps and bounds compared to what it used to. Then, we collectively as consumers, lack restraint and just have to have the latest and greatest.

    Honestly, I wish we could all agree to simply ignore whatever comes out after Blu-Ray.

    Anyway, another aspect has to do with manufacturing efficiency. For example, when your toaster goes out (and in my experience toasters usually last a pretty damn long time), do you fix it, or do you replace it? Toasters are so cheap that it almost never makes sense to fix it.
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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Of course it's real. But most people are simply too dumb to notice much less care:



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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    This topic here was made before mine? Shows it was made 2 hours or so before mine. Weird.

    I didn't know this one existed. I hate it when people create the same topic with slightly different spin.
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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    I don't think that adding 1 mm more insulation (worth $1-2) on the ignition cables would save that much energy or rubber. But it may have saved me the tens of dollars and the pollution of throwing the old cables out.
    For one cable, yeah. Not so much when you need to buy tens of thousands of cables.
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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Well, there are even films on the topic, like "Surplus. Therorozed into being consumers".

    Besides, I had to change my car's ignition cables today (there were sparks) and never stopped wondering: how in the world is it possible that something so basic has to be changed? I mean, it's a cable, come on! There is no electronics, no moving parts. Why didn't they make the insulation thicker so it endures? And then, why do I have to change all cables when there is only one sparking? Things like that. I'm quire unhappy with this story.
    Unless people are violating antitrust laws, someone could make a better cable if it's really that simple.
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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell
    Besides, I had to change my car's ignition cables today (there were sparks) and never stopped wondering: how in the world is it possible that something so basic has to be changed? I mean, it's a cable, come on! There is no electronics, no moving parts. Why didn't they make the insulation thicker so it endures? And then, why do I have to change all cables when there is only one sparking? Things like that. I'm quire unhappy with this story.
    This sounds more like an auto shop fleecing you. Cables simply don't "go bad". Battery cables are notorious for corroding which simply means that you need to clean the connections. (I erroneously replaced a starter once because of a bad ground connection.) If the insulation is rubbing off you can simply apply special insulation tape to the wire and the problem is solved.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD
    Before new technology is released to the consumer, there's already "a better one" in the pipeline.
    Advancing technology is not the same thing as planned obsolescence. If manufacturers were to wait until the "better" technology was finished with development and ready for release there would always be another one following it which would prevent the release of new technologies ever! Big screens are actually a great example. When they were first released, they cost several thousands of dollars and were enormous (not to mention had many bugs). As the very few high-end consumers purchased these and technology progressed the kinks got worked out and prices began to decline from increased efficiencies. These are not examples of planned obsolescence.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen
    Honestly, I wish we could all agree to simply ignore whatever comes out after Blu-Ray.
    I don't think Blu-Ray will get that big - not nearly as big as VHS and DVD anyway - and there will most certainly be no replacement. The next advancement will be completely 1's and 0's. Digital media will replace all of the physical media in a short time.

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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    This sounds more like an auto shop fleecing you. Cables simply don't "go bad". Battery cables are notorious for corroding which simply means that you need to clean the connections. (I erroneously replaced a starter once because of a bad ground connection.) If the insulation is rubbing off you can simply apply special insulation tape to the wire and the problem is solved.
    I have had OEM plug wire cables go bad before. It turned out to be a crappy weld on the connector that connected to the spark plug.

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Advancing technology is not the same thing as planned obsolescence. If manufacturers were to wait until the "better" technology was finished with development and ready for release there would always be another one following it which would prevent the release of new technologies ever! Big screens are actually a great example. When they were first released, they cost several thousands of dollars and were enormous (not to mention had many bugs). As the very few high-end consumers purchased these and technology progressed the kinks got worked out and prices began to decline from increased efficiencies. These are not examples of planned obsolescence.

    I don't think Blu-Ray will get that big - not nearly as big as VHS and DVD anyway - and there will most certainly be no replacement. The next advancement will be completely 1's and 0's. Digital media will replace all of the physical media in a short time.
    spot on!

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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I have had OEM plug wire cables go bad before. It turned out to be a crappy weld on the connector that connected to the spark plug.
    Oh, didn't realize they were plug wires. Yeah, they need to be replaced relatively often. Bit of a different scenario there though, they don't just transmit electricity, they transmit clean electricity. If that makes sense. Stupid plug wires. That's why I like diesels.

    Totally off topic, but why don't Americans like diesels?!?

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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    It's real. The auto makers use it to push new models every year. Without it, the auto industry wouldn't make nearly the money it did.

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    Re: Planned obsolescence

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Totally off topic, but why don't Americans like diesels?!?
    Noisy and expensive. Americans only like diesels in trucks, because of the higher torque for work trucks and the loud noises for the immature males with big toys.

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