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    Worst Piece of Legislation

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called the PPACA the "single worst piece of legislation" passed in modern times.

    GOP: Voters will have final say on health care law - Yahoo! News

    Apparently he forgot about the 2011 NDAA which allows for indefinite detention of American citizens on extremely questionable claims of supporting terrorism. The 2011 NDAA now allows the US Government to accuse ANYONE of providing some unstated level of support to terrorists as grounds for indefinite detention.

    So answer me this:

    Which is worst: Obamacare which effectively forces people to take at least some responsibility for their health insurance and sets up free market insurance exchanges in every state OR giving the Federal Government the right to throw literally anyone into jail indefinitely on questionable charges?
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    Re: Worst Piece of Legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called the PPACA the "single worst piece of legislation" passed in modern times.

    GOP: Voters will have final say on health care law - Yahoo! News

    Apparently he forgot about the 2011 NDAA which allows for indefinite detention of American citizens on extremely questionable claims of supporting terrorism. The 2011 NDAA now allows the US Government to accuse ANYONE of providing some unstated level of support to terrorists as grounds for indefinite detention.

    So answer me this:

    Which is worst: Obamacare which effectively forces people to take at least some responsibility for their health insurance and sets up free market insurance exchanges in every state OR giving the Federal Government the right to throw literally anyone into jail indefinitely on questionable charges?
    I would argue the New Deal was far worse-without it no Obamacare. Yeah the NDAA is worse than Obamacare when examined only on its own merits though the erosion of the concept of the tenth amendment is ultimately more worrisome

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    Re: Worst Piece of Legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I would argue the New Deal was far worse-without it no Obamacare. Yeah the NDAA is worse than Obamacare when examined only on its own merits though the erosion of the concept of the tenth amendment is ultimately more worrisome
    News bulletin from the historical record: The New Deal is not a single piece of legislation. But in a discussion about the single worst piece of legislation you managed to yet again work in Turtle talking point #7.
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    Re: Worst Piece of Legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called the PPACA the "single worst piece of legislation" passed in modern times.

    GOP: Voters will have final say on health care law - Yahoo! News

    Apparently he forgot about the 2011 NDAA which allows for indefinite detention of American citizens on extremely questionable claims of supporting terrorism. The 2011 NDAA now allows the US Government to accuse ANYONE of providing some unstated level of support to terrorists as grounds for indefinite detention.

    So answer me this:

    Which is worst: Obamacare which effectively forces people to take at least some responsibility for their health insurance and sets up free market insurance exchanges in every state OR giving the Federal Government the right to throw literally anyone into jail indefinitely on questionable charges?
    I would say it is federal immigration law that is infintely amendable by the king, may be enforced or not based on pure whim. Perhaps a close second are "CCW permit" laws that make it a crime to carry a legally purchased handgun. Then there are the massive parties in Las Vegas or Hawaii at taxpayer expense laws that permit all sorts of expensive entertainment, travel, meals and lodging expenses, all done while being paid to perform some unrelated federal task, all at the taxpayer's expense. Hmm...
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    Re: Worst Piece of Legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    News bulletin from the historical record: The New Deal is not a single piece of legislation. But in a discussion about the single worst piece of legislation you managed to yet again work in Turtle talking point #7.
    Why do you post stuff that is obvious to me and everyone else. Of course it was not one piece of legislation but I was referring to the expansion of the commerce clause

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    Re: Worst Piece of Legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I would argue the New Deal was far worse-without it no Obamacare. Yeah the NDAA is worse than Obamacare when examined only on its own merits though the erosion of the concept of the tenth amendment is ultimately more worrisome
    How so? The 2011 NDAA just gave the Federal Government to act as a total and complete Police State. Obama should have vetoed that.
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    Re: Worst Piece of Legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How so? The 2011 NDAA just gave the Federal Government to act as a total and complete Police State. Obama should have vetoed that.
    Uh I noted that purely reviewing each bill solely on its own merit the NDAA is worse but the obamacare bill might have longer lasting harm

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    Re: Worst Piece of Legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Uh I noted that purely reviewing each bill solely on its own merit the NDAA is worse but the obamacare bill might have longer lasting harm
    Well Obamcare in its current form largely doesn't have that problem. Roberts essentially limited it to what already existed. Remember that the power to tax is massive. By keeping the power within the power to tax and limiting it from the Commerce Clause the future harm has been greatly reduced.

    Giving the Federal government police state powers is un-****ing believable. The GOP is a joke when it comes to claims it respects the Constitution.

    McConnell implying that a police state isn't as bad as forcing personal responsibility highlights just how unhinged the GOP leadership in the Senate is.
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    Re: Worst Piece of Legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Well Obamcare in its current form largely doesn't have that problem. Roberts essentially limited it to what already existed. Remember that the power to tax is massive. By keeping the power within the power to tax and limiting it from the Commerce Clause the future harm has been greatly reduced.

    Giving the Federal government police state powers is un-****ing believable. The GOP is a joke when it comes to claims it respects the Constitution.

    McConnell implying that a police state isn't as bad as forcing personal responsibility highlights just how unhinged the GOP leadership in the Senate is.
    both parties piss on the constitution

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    Re: Worst Piece of Legislation

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Why do you post stuff that is obvious to me and everyone else. Of course it was not one piece of legislation but I was referring to the expansion of the commerce clause
    Which is NOT the topic of the thread.
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