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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Poor people put things in layaway, use Fingerhut catalogs, buy at second hand stores, buy b-grade shoes, go to closeout stores, go to second hand stores. Poor people have been doing this as for as long as these things have existed. Many of those US consumers work in factories and as such have money to go buy many American made products. I do not know about but every 20 dollar pair of shoes I have ever bought are wears out a lot faster than 80 dollar shoes.20 dollar shoes wear out so much easier than 80 dollar should you could have bought a 80 dollar pair of shoes that will last a whole lot longer than 20 dollar shoes. So I do not buy 20 dollar shoes anymore.



    Buying outsourced products is very little gain for US employment. So its a help one American company or a dozen or so Chinese companies.Buying American products doesn't help the Chinese Strengthen it's military.
    LOL. The U.S. taxpayers supply 100% of the Chinese military budget, just by paying them interest on their share of our national debt. Take a look in your closet, and note the country of origin on your clothing, 78% of U.S. shoes come from China. It seems that China is getting richer and that is raising their prices as a result, so the days of super cheap Chinese products are somming to an end. See link: U.S. Faces Costlier Chinese Imports - WSJ.com
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    The ethnocentrism, paternalism, arrogance, and subtle racism in this thread are truly sad. Some people are inclined to view foreigners from developing countries as silly little people who just don't understand what they "should" be earning, so they need some white Americans - in our infinite wisdom of THEIR needs - to stand up for them by making unreasonable demands and putting them out of work.

    If your attitude is "**** them all," as one person in this thread stated, that's one thing. Trade barriers don't benefit us either, but at least that person was being honest about his attitude. Much more annoying are the people who pretend to CARE about living conditions in developing countries, then proceed to advocate policies that hurt them and frame them as victories for the little guy.
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post

    I think tarriffs should vary acording to how well the country invoved, has in place safety & health Regulations in line with our own. If they pay a living wage that would allow for a middle class. That they don't engage in dumping. That workers have the freedom to collectively bargain to better there situation.
    Precisely how would restricting economic relations with said country improve the living conditions of the aforementioned impoverished and underprivileged workforce? Improving the living conditions and economic stability of said country can be accomplished quite effectively through economic diplomacy. South East Asia is living proof of this particular phenomena.

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The ethnocentrism, paternalism, arrogance, and subtle racism in this thread are truly sad. Some people are inclined to view foreigners from developing countries as silly little people who just don't understand what they "should" be earning, so they need some white Americans - in our infinite wisdom of THEIR needs - to stand up for them by making unreasonable demands and putting them out of work.

    If your attitude is "**** them all," as one person in this thread stated, that's one thing. Trade barriers don't benefit us either, but at least that person was being honest about his attitude. Much more annoying are the people who pretend to CARE about living conditions in developing countries, then proceed to frame policies that hurt them as victories for the little guy.
    Are you aware that many govts. and people in the Third World consider environmentalism and global warming as a form of white imperialism? They see it as just another haggard attempt by white people to continue their domination of the world. That's why the Copenhagen Global Warming Conference of December 2009 failed. Btw, I like Brown people. I married one. And now I have Brown sons.

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Are you aware that many govts. and people in the Third World consider environmentalism and global warming as a form of white imperialism?
    Yes. And in many cases, they're right. There are some environmental problems that developing countries should be worrying about (e.g. knocking down all their forests or overfishing), but carbon emissions are not one of them. That's a luxury for rich countries to worry about.

    They see it as just another haggard attempt by white people to continue their domination of the world. That's why the Copenhagen Global Warming Conference of December 2009 failed.
    I certainly don't blame them. Countries like China are justifiably angry when Westerners tell them that they need to curb their carbon emissions, when Western countries didn't do so at a comparable point in their economic development. Especially since the reason they're producing so much carbon is to make products for *us*.

    Btw, I like Brown people. I married one. And now I have Brown sons.
    Congrats on proving how not-racist you are by trotting out your black friend.
    In any case, the topic of this thread is free trade, not climate change.
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Do you prefer a policy of "Free Trade", which means no tariffs on imports, or "Protectionism", which means tariffs are placed on imports.
    I don't care which you do and in what measure ..

    .. As long as whatever we do will bring stolen jobs back to Americans.

    If that doesn't happen very soon, I can't begin to tell you the horrible death that awaits America.

    If the idea of countryless corporatism frightens you, then stop focusing on either-or and take a long hard look at solving the major problems, the substance of the matter, without regard to the compratively meaningless form in which the best solution manifests.
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    I don't care which you do and in what measure ..

    .. As long as whatever we do will bring stolen jobs back to Americans.
    "Stolen jobs"? What the hell makes YOU entitled to those jobs more than people anywhere else in the world?
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    .. As long as whatever we do will bring stolen jobs back to Americans.

    If that doesn't happen very soon, I can't begin to tell you the horrible death that awaits America.
    Stolen is a highly subjective term, the truth of the matter is that a large percentage of those positions very likely would be economically unsustainable here stateside. Too many individuals seem to think that corporations invest and build up workforces overseas out of malicious intent or a "lack of patriotism" as some of our more quasi nationalist posters would like to imply, when the truth of the matter is that the profitability and enhanced diplomatic relations (both on economic and geopolitical terms) that stem from overseas investment affect the vast majority of American and foreign "working class" individuals in a overwhelmingly positive manner.

    You do realize that a scant 4 years ago we were enjoying a unemployment rate of less than 5 percent correct? Did the onset of outsourcing and foreign investment somehow coincide with the housing collapse and ensuing recession? Or shall we chalk up your statement to hysterics and misinformation?
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    "Stolen jobs"? What the hell makes YOU entitled to those jobs more than people anywhere else in the world?
    Only a liberal would ask that question ..

    .. No, wait -- a conservative would also ask it, too .. .. and a libertarian would as well ...

    Thankfully, they're cumulatively a considerable minority in number, if not in power.

    Now if only we can get the great silent majority to begin speaking out ...
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So your solution is to bomb other countries in order to improve their working conditions? Umm. That MIGHT be a little counterproductive.
    No, but we can take them over and force them into a proper work week. hahaha
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