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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Paying more for the same product is not patriotic, it is idiotic, forcing ONLY U.S. consumers to waste money just to prop up an industry. Manufacturing is only 12% of U.S. GDP and only supplies 9% of the U.S. workforce with jobs. Trying to "grow" that is foolish, since the real way to make money, as a nation, is to EXPORT not to simply consume more internally.
    Then I must be an IDIOT, because I go out of my way to purchase AMERICAN products as much as humanly possible.

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    I think tarriffs should vary acording to how well the country invoved, has in place safety & health Regulations in line with our own. If they pay a living wage that would allow for a middle class. That they don't engage in dumping. That workers have the freedom to collectively bargain to better there situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I am for free trade INSIDE our national borders and Protectionism at worst and Isolationism at best when dealing with trade outside of our borders.

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Well, the US has tried the free market solution, Germany has tried a different more balanced solution, which one's car industry is diong better?

    Germany has pretty good pensions and very strong unions btw.

    the US subsidizes agriculture because if it didn't agriculture would collapse and prices would significantly rise as many farms go out of buisiness.

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    If enough people are out of work & fail to buy whatever your selling, only then will costs be too high.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    if high costs forced the company out of business and all of you were fired, would you as a group be buying more? or less?
    Last edited by jpevans; 07-03-12 at 09:42 AM.

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Considering the wages Chinese workers make.23-37 cents an hour and 80 hour work weeks,about 75-110 a month, that number is way higher than 5000 jobs in China. If these workers in American were making at least minimum wage that would be 10-17 Chinese workers gaining jobs per American that lost his or her job due to outsourcing.
    You can look at the flip side too. If a pair of Chinese shoes costs $20, and the U.S. shoes cost $100, then you can either go barefoot for a year and "save up" or buy Chinese shoes and be happy. This is the Walmart argument, in a nut shell. Sure, a few more U.S. jobs would be guaranteed by blocking global competition, but at what cost to ALL U.S. consumers? That $80 extra that you spent buying those "patriotic", made in USA, shoes is $80 that you will not spend on other goods and services, and for very, very little gain in U.S. employment.
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Then I must be an IDIOT, because I go out of my way to purchase AMERICAN products as much as humanly possible.
    Many do just that, and they are idiots. IMHO. A Toyota Tundra truck is made in the USA, in San Antonio, TX, and is a very good truck, yet many think that those non-union U.S. workers are "cheating" because they can make a better, cheaper truck than GM. Ford makes many of their trucks in Mexico. I get a kick out of that, when I see a Texan driving a Ford and saying how "patriotic" they are, for buying an "American" truck.
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    It's hard, I know. There are many lists, this one ain't bad, although I would prefer them listed by product .
    http://www.acontinuouslean.com/the-american-list/
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Then I must be an IDIOT, because I go out of my way to purchase AMERICAN products as much as humanly possible.

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post

    I think tarriffs should vary acording to how well the country invoved, has in place safety & health Regulations in line with our own. If they pay a living wage that would allow for a middle class. That they don't engage in dumping. That workers have the freedom to collectively bargain to better there situation.
    In the mean time, the U.S. borrows from China to spend foolishly. We now pay China enough interest, on their share of our national debt, to pay the entire Chinese military budget using U.S. tax money, yet complain that they are "dumping" products here. LOL If we did not pay for the entire Chinese military, then they would have to tax their OWN factories to do so.
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Many do just that, and they are idiots. IMHO. A Toyota Tundra truck is made in the USA, in San Antonio, TX, and is a very good truck, yet many think that those non-union U.S. workers are "cheating" because they can make a better, cheaper truck than GM. Ford makes many of their trucks in Mexico. I get a kick out of that, when I see a Texan driving a Ford and saying how "patriotic" they are, for buying an "American" truck.
    It took me an extra three weeks to get my Chevy HHR back in 2008 because I wanted one that was assembled here in the US. It took that long to find one that was close to what I wanted in terms of options and not assembled in Mexico.

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    In part because we don't have the Tax base we had under Clinton, we've endured two wars & tax cuts, two things that traditional don't go together. If we didn't outsource the jobs the taxbase would be higher. If enough jobs are outside & importing there products it is hard to not export more work, until the U.S. has no work & is forced to borrow from the lands where the jobs have gone to pay for the wars & taxcuts.
    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    In the mean time, the U.S. borrows from China to spend foolishly. We now pay China enough interest, on their share of our national debt, to pay the entire Chinese military budget using U.S. tax money, yet complain that they are "dumping" products here. LOL If we did not pay for the entire Chinese military, then they would have to tax their OWN factories to do so.

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