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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Even if that were true, why should I care about "saving American jobs"? What about Chinese and Indian and Indonesian and Brazilian and South African jobs?
    brown people are only quaint and meaningful when they have the decency to remain poor.

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Also I'd like to point out that in the last 50 years, far more American jobs have been "lost" to robots than to Chinese or Indians or Mexicans or anyone else. Yet there aren't many luddites arguing that we should ban technological progress and go back to 1950s-style assembly lines.
    Reminds me of the story about milton friedman touring a mass-line project in China. He asked why they weren't using bulldozers and modern equipment, instead of all those people with shovels. The guide, promptly proudly told him that in China they cared about the workers, and wanted to maximize jobs. Friedman thought for a minute and then asked "So why don't you use spoons?"

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    brown people are only quaint and meaningful when they have the decency to remain poor.
    Its bad enough when lib-tards and other race parasites try to play the race card but someone calling himself a conservative should be above doing such idiocy. BTW at 23-37 cents an hour and 80 hour work weeks still keep people poor no matter where they live.



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    Li said these factories often require employees to work as many as 80 hours per week during the busy season for $75 to $110 per month, violating Chinese labor laws.
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Reminds me of the story about milton friedman touring a mass-line project in China. He asked why they weren't using bulldozers and modern equipment, instead of all those people with shovels. The guide, promptly proudly told him that in China they cared about the workers, and wanted to maximize jobs. Friedman thought for a minute and then asked "So why don't you use spoons?"
    What is so funny about this is that Milton knew the correct answer for the use of shovels and knew that shovels were the correct tool for them to be using. Milton just wanted to know what the official story would be. I know that you also know that shovels were the correct tool. So, why do you post this stuff to a group that has this stuff figured out?

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its bad enough when lib-tards and other race parasites try to play the race card but someone calling himself a conservative should be above doing such idiocy. BTW at 23-37 cents an hour and 80 hour work weeks still keep people poor no matter where they live.
    And as they trade more with other nations, the demand for their labor will start to exceed the supply, and wages will rise. Which is exactly what we're seeing in China, and other nations which have opened up their economies and started trading. China has been growing at about a 9% clip annually, ever since it started reforming its economy in 1979.
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Also I'd like to point out that in the last 50 years, far more American jobs have been "lost" to robots than to Chinese or Indians or Mexicans or anyone else. Yet there aren't many luddites arguing that we should ban technological progress and go back to 1950s-style assembly lines. Society has been perfectly willing to trade a few jobs in unproductive sectors, in exchange for cheaper products and more jobs in productive sectors. The fact that people are OK with making this trade when the new worker is a robot, but not when it's a Chinese person, is both cruel and xenophobic.
    AMEN.

    Also, I recommend Pop Internationalism by Paul Krugman for those of you who haven't read it, because it's a great book on trade. Although it's a bit dated (it was written in the late 90s) it's still relevant.

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    It depends on the economic situation, sometimes it makes sense sometimes it doesn't.

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    Free trade is a name for outsoursing IMO. There should be tarifs on countries which artificially set a low price on export goods, while paying below a living wage & don't have safety regulation to protect workers & the enviorment. Whatever will create oppertunities in the U.S. for both "Job Creators" & Workers both.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Do you prefer a policy of "Free Trade", which means no tariffs on imports, or "Protectionism", which means tariffs are placed on imports.

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by jpevans View Post
    Free trade is a name for outsoursing IMO. There should be tarifs on countries which artificially set a low price on export goods,
    Unless they're actually dumping (i.e. selling merchandise abroad at a loss), countries don't "artificially set a low price on export goods." If they did they wouldn't be able to make any money. They sell their goods for as much as they can and no more, just like US businesses do.

    while paying below a living wage & don't have safety regulation to protect workers & the enviorment.
    These things are luxuries for wealthy nations. It's patronizing to assume that YOU know the wages and conditions a Chinese worker should have, better than he does.

    Whatever will create oppertunities in the U.S. for both "Job Creators" & Workers both.
    I could create opportunities for "job creators" and workers if I robbed you blind, and then used your money to start a business. That doesn't mean I would be justified in doing so. Your desire to steal from foreign workers in developing countries (who are much worse off than US workers) is sad. And in any case, it doesn't even work. Even if you don't care about the world outside of your own borders, free trade is STILL better. It increases the purchasing power of Americans by lowering the price of goods, and it creates jobs in more productive sectors.
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And as they trade more with other nations, the demand for their labor will start to exceed the supply, and wages will rise. Which is exactly what we're seeing in China, and other nations which have opened up their economies and started trading. China has been growing at about a 9% clip annually, ever since it started reforming its economy in 1979.
    China is a country of 1.3 billion people.It will be a long long long time before the demand for labor far exceeds the supply. And when it does those companies will pack their **** up and outsource to countries where they can still pay **** wages and exploit the fact there is little to no worker and environmental protection laws. Companies don't outsource to uplift other nations. They outsource in order to exploit the fact they can a worker next to nothing and not have to worry about any environmental and worker safety regulations.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 07-02-12 at 12:13 PM.
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