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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Do you prefer a policy of "Free Trade", which means no tariffs on imports, or "Protectionism", which means tariffs are placed on imports.
    I prefer protectionism for the sole purpose of promoting local production, and reliance on American made goods.
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm happy with America's generally pro-trade attitude toward the rest of the world. If you'd prefer to live in a closed economy, I hear North Korea is a worker's paradise.
    Oh so 1776-1940 America = North Korea now.
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    I wouldn't know of such things.
    Other than of having an economic agenda, that's painfully obvious.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Businesses tend to follow the money trail. In the current economic climate there is simply little to no motivation to confine ones business inside of a country with stagnant growth and higher wage demands.
    Yes, many of them are merely machines, making decisions for us spare parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Not to mention the likely result of your ideal Darwinian free scenario would lead to higher prices for consumers of each and every wage grouping.
    Even the lowest price is too high for the unemployed.

    Get everyone employed again, and then wage-earners will tell the market how high it can set the prices.

    Until then we have too many have-nots.

    And again, what's with the polemic dualism extremism tendency of yours -- "Darwinian free"? You must be a winger .. that "centrist" label can't be right.

    I said "less", not "free".

    Regardless, your conclusion still remains presumptive and questionable.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    No, it was terribly misplaced.
    Actually it was spot on, as it was based on the meaningful facts that analogously presented the truth of the matter.

    Your turn.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    It seems as if you have omitted the 90's from that particular excerpt? Any reason for that?
    No.

    No purposeful omission, just a focus on sub-primers who really didn't exist much before the 1990's.

    But the 1990's did bring us NAFTA. Even liberals like Pres. Clinton screwed the pooch on that one .. but, then again, Multi-Cultural Internationalists are all for the in- and out- sourcing of American jobs, and Clinton, at heart, is indeed that.

    The vast majority of American unemployment since the Reagan corporate socialist movement can be attributed to in- and out- sourcing American jobs to wage-slaves.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    "Stolen" as if all jobs are pre destined to be US bound?
    Again with the extremist polarizing hyperbole.

    If it's to be sold in America and can be made in America and was made in America, yeah, it should continue to be made by Americans.

    That's simply normal, balanced thinking.

    When those jobs are stolen by wage slaves and their owners, it is simply that: theft of an entitlement of American citizenship.

    Only wingnuts deny the reality of it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    As if labor markets should opt for stagnation in lieu of modernization and expansion?
    Your phrase here is meaningless extreme jargon, a euphemism for condoning wage-slave labor at the expense of American jobs.

    You argue so in favor of such egregious behavior, I can't help but wonder if you're profiting by it, by the suffering of your fellow Americans.

    It is simply the creation of a false dichotomy to say that we can't employ all Americans without harming the economy, though, true, that might result in some loss of obscene profits of the rabid dog-eating dogs.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    The sub prime collapse was precipitated upon many unique circumstances outside of the realm of that particular phenomena.
    Or, as your nebulous meaningless statement here void of specific details truly reveals ..


    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Chalking up the entire collapse, or even the bulk of it to outsourcing is downright foolish.
    .. It was indeed all about the sub-prime securities fiasco directly precipitated by the en masse loss of sub-primers jobs in the ramping up of extreme Darwinian competition embodied in in- and out- sourcing of their jobs that caused these sub-primers to default on their mortgages, mortgages that were deceiptfully packaged in "securities" and sold about here and in Europe, the first wave of revealed worthlessness occurring in August-September 2008, exemplifying The Great Recession.

    What's foolish is to ignore the reality of that just because one has a profit-making agenda vested interest in continuing to have their fellow Americans' jobs stolen from them via in- and out-sourcing to wage-slaves.
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    I keep waiting for the punchline, but I'm beginning to think that people are genuinely serious about desiring closed borders. I had not realized that education had deteriorated to the point of a complete lack of understanding regarding basic economics (or I suppose rabid nationalism could have replaced the desire for prosperity). As I said previously, if closed borders are a boon for a nation then closed "borders" logically ought to be good for states, cities, and families. Good luck with self-sufficiency.

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    I keep waiting for the punchline, but I'm beginning to think that people are genuinely serious about desiring closed borders. I had not realized that education had deteriorated to the point of a complete lack of understanding regarding basic economics (or I suppose rabid nationalism could have replaced the desire for prosperity). As I said previously, if closed borders are a boon for a nation then closed "borders" logically ought to be good for states, cities, and families. Good luck with self-sufficiency.
    Here's the punchline.




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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"


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    LOL. The U.S. taxpayers supply 100% of the Chinese military budget, just by paying them interest on their share of our national debt. Take a look in your closet, and note the country of origin on your clothing, 78% of U.S. shoes come from China. It seems that China is getting richer and that is raising their prices as a result, so the days of super cheap Chinese products are somming to an end. See link: U.S. Faces Costlier Chinese Imports - WSJ.com

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    I keep seeing many posts from people who rave about the high quality of many American goods in comparison to cheaper foreign versions. For many items I and many others will definitely agree with you. However, you seem to have missed the very excellent point which you have personally brought up. Every consumer makes their own assumptions and conclusions about value.

    If you even remotely value freedom, allow goods to stand on their own merits. Some people will never see the light and will always purchase the cheap $15 shoes even though they will end up spending more money in the long run. That is their choice. Others only want some cheap shoes to wear on a single occasion. Others want a well-made pair of shoes that will last them for years and years. This works for all goods and all consumers.

    By promoting policies of protectionism, you only end up limiting choices, increasing prices, and lowering the standard-of-living. Freedom works if you give it a chance.

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Personally I'm conserned about U.S. citizens are being productive & earning a living wage, first & formost.
    This is the same thing that I said I wish for foreign nationals. That they earn enough to buy what they make, with out lead paint, radiation, leaking cancer causing agents into the sky or their own bodies etc. That presses have guards so that nobody is sucked in, that they are allowed enough free time to say that they're living.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The ethnocentrism, paternalism, arrogance, and subtle racism in this thread are truly sad. Some people are inclined to view foreigners from developing countries as silly little people who just don't understand what they "should" be earning, so they need some white Americans - in our infinite wisdom of THEIR needs - to stand up for them by making unreasonable demands and putting them out of work.

    If your attitude is "**** them all," as one person in this thread stated, that's one thing. Trade barriers don't benefit us either, but at least that person was being honest about his attitude. Much more annoying are the people who pretend to CARE about living conditions in developing countries, then proceed to advocate policies that hurt them and frame them as victories for the little guy.

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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    I keep seeing many posts from people who rave about the high quality of many American goods in comparison to cheaper foreign versions. For many items I and many others will definitely agree with you. However, you seem to have missed the very excellent point which you have personally brought up. Every consumer makes their own assumptions and conclusions about value.

    If you even remotely value freedom, allow goods to stand on their own merits. Some people will never see the light and will always purchase the cheap $15 shoes even though they will end up spending more money in the long run. That is their choice. Others only want some cheap shoes to wear on a single occasion. Others want a well-made pair of shoes that will last them for years and years. This works for all goods and all consumers.

    By promoting policies of protectionism, you only end up limiting choices, increasing prices, and lowering the standard-of-living. Freedom works if you give it a chance.
    That would be nice, but with our current economic and industrial situation, I'll take a temporary writ of protectionism until America figures this **** out.
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    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate
    ... I'll take a temporary writ of protectionism until America figures this **** out.
    Until America figures it out? Who is America if not the consumers within? How can an arbitrary political construct "figure" anything out? Can you not see that America, from an economic perspective, is nothing more than the aggregation of millions of individuals? If a mafia of 546 dictate to the remaining 300 million serfs how the "problems" will be solved then how do you expect anyone to be free? How do you expect 546 individuals to determine the best way for 300,000,000 individuals to live their own lives? Your logic baffles me.

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