View Poll Results: Free Trade or Protectionism?

Voters
47. You may not vote on this poll
  • Free Trade

    29 61.70%
  • Protectionism

    18 38.30%
Page 10 of 17 FirstFirst ... 89101112 ... LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 162

Thread: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

  1. #91
    #NeverTrump
    a351's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Space Coast
    Last Seen
    09-09-17 @ 08:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    6,902

    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by teaser47401 View Post
    It is unrealistic to expect third world countries to pay US wages and follow US labor laws. It is just as unrealistic to expect companies to pay US wages and follow US labor laws if they can avoid it by outsourcing to third world countries. It is further unrealistic to expect that the majority of American citizens can earn a decent living in a global labor market that puts them in direct competition with third world workers. And it is ultimately unrealistic to expect that the American government can continue to provide social services for the increasing numbers of underemployed while its tax base continues to erode.

    Putting tariffs on goods and services produced in countries that do not pay US wages or follow US labor laws seems to me the only realistic alternative.
    Hardly realistic and quite frankly reeking of pseudo Nationalism. I simply have no clue as to why some completely ignore the consequential diminished purchasing power of said countries if tariffs were to be implemented on a large scale.
    Last edited by a351; 07-03-12 at 08:55 PM.

  2. #92
    Sage
    Ontologuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    5,515

    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Wingnuts?
    Yes, wingnuts: MCIs and CGEs and those left and right who bow to them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Yes, Profit margins are quite important in the business realm. They allow for expansion and retainment of current employees as well.
    And when taken to extreme they cause in- and out- sourcing of American jobs to wage-slaves.

    It would seem that less extremism is in order.

    Perhaps we have the wrong neanderthals running our corporations, and a little less Darwinian dog-eat-dogism would do us well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Terrible analogy, you're completely ignoring the numerous and important allies earned in no small part through economic diplomacy.
    Or, in other, words, the truth of my obviously accurate analogy doesn't escape you, and you have a particular agenda here as you describe.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Make that 5 years. My sincerest apologies. The question stands though, was foreign investment and outsourcing somehow obsolete during recent decades?
    You seem to like to deal in extremes.

    It's not a question of whether it existed (one extreme) or not (the other extreme); creating a false dichotomy is meaningless.

    The fact remains that it's best to keep damaging aberrations to a minimum, which occurred through measures of statutes, statutes which began being dismantled during the Reagan corporate socialist movement .. until the stage was set at the turn of the century for greater exploitation of "labor markets" abroad.

    As to a more important figure now, the real un- and under- employment rate of around 14% isn't going to decrease much any time soon .. and is likely to suddenly skyrocket again .. like it did in the post-holiday season of 1933, because, then, as now, we couldn't get Americans working again, and the dead-weight eventually sunk enough additional American businesses to bring the next level down too.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Outsourcing did increase greatly in the 00's, but you're conveniently ignoring the fact that the U.S. economy and labor market were operating at near normal capacity for the vast majority of that period.
    I'm not ignoring anything.

    I'm not even questioning the questionable veracity of your assertion.

    I do question how important is "the economy" if too many people are out of work.

    I realize "the economy" has value to those who bullishly seek to profit from it.

    When we can find a way to make "the economy" "strong" and eliminate in- and out- sourcing to wage-slaves, then we'll be better Americans because of it.

    Indeed, when it comes to ignoring something, it's time for "economists" and "labor analysts" to stop ignoring the horrific plight of the millions of unemployed Americans back then .. and the scores of millions of Americans now remaining without full-time living-wage jobs.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Wingnuts Blaming outsourcing for the Mortgage crisis? That's a new one. I wouldn't stick with it though, given the complete lack of supporting evidence.
    Are you purposely misconstruing, or was my starightforward presentation too complex for you?

    Wingnuts are denying that the jobs stolen from Americans were stolen.

    The reality is that the sub-prime securities crisis, as it was more accurately referenced, was, indeed, precipitated on precisely that: sub-primers having their jobs in- and out- sourced from under them in the, as you admit here, ramp-up of such job stealing entering the middle of the past decade. All that turn-of-the-century effort to bring sub-primers into the real estate market backfired when our corporations subsequently ramped-up their Darwinian dog-eat-dogism competition. Once sub-primers lost their jobs .. their mortage eventually followed.

    Only a revisionist bent on hiding their agendas would deny the now long-known reality of it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Anything else from the Astrology section catch your eye? Stock picks perhaps?
    Nope -- nothing more from your publication was worth mentioning.
    You don't trust Trump? Well, there's only one way to leverage him to do what's economically right for us all: Powerful American Political Alliance. Got courage?! .. and a mere $5.00?

  3. #93
    Guru
    Lakryte's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    06-02-17 @ 01:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    2,982

    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i prefer free trade with partner nations which adopt OSHA-type worker protections and the environmental standards that US companies must comply with. those that don't should be subject to tariffs proportional to level of noncompliance.
    It is not nations that are trading, but individuals and companies within nations. Government should not impose tariffs on companies that do not meet certain standards. People should be allowed to determine whether or not to patronize said companies themselves.
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
    "When we live authentically we create an opportunity for others to walk out of their dark prisons of pretend into freedom."

  4. #94
    Guru
    Lakryte's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    06-02-17 @ 01:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    2,982

    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    There is always so much cry over outsourcing that people forget about the flip side of the coin: insourcing. Plenty of other companies in foreign countries are outsourcing jobs to the United States. These companies include Toyota (in fact, many car companies), Nesle, and many others.

    Insourcing Facts

    Nearly 5% of private sector employment is by a foreign company.
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
    "When we live authentically we create an opportunity for others to walk out of their dark prisons of pretend into freedom."

  5. #95
    Death2Globalists Matt Foley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    ExecuteTheTraitors
    Last Seen
    11-24-12 @ 12:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,574

    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    There is always so much cry over outsourcing that people forget about the flip side of the coin: insourcing. Plenty of other companies in foreign countries are outsourcing jobs to the United States. These companies include Toyota (in fact, many car companies), Nesle, and many others.

    Insourcing Facts

    Nearly 5% of private sector employment is by a foreign company.
    Insourcing only occurs because of rising protectionist sentiment.
    Globalist = Free Trade, Open Borders, Multiculturalist, Anti-White Racist, Hypocrite, Sophist, Deceiver, Manipulator, Warmonger, Vulgar Culture, Morally Depraved......Enemy

    Death to Globalists

  6. #96
    Death2Globalists Matt Foley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    ExecuteTheTraitors
    Last Seen
    11-24-12 @ 12:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,574

    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    2008 would be the correct date, not 2009. Unfortunately, that's the only part of your post that could even be mistaken as accurate in any manner.
    Oh so in your world bubbles go "Sssssssssssss", they don't pop.
    Globalist = Free Trade, Open Borders, Multiculturalist, Anti-White Racist, Hypocrite, Sophist, Deceiver, Manipulator, Warmonger, Vulgar Culture, Morally Depraved......Enemy

    Death to Globalists

  7. #97
    Death2Globalists Matt Foley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    ExecuteTheTraitors
    Last Seen
    11-24-12 @ 12:17 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,574

    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Outsourcing did increase greatly in the 00's, but you're conveniently ignoring the fact that the U.S. economy and labor market were operating at near normal capacity for the vast majority of that period.
    Wrong, the economy/labor market downhill fall is directly proportional to the trade deficit.
    Globalist = Free Trade, Open Borders, Multiculturalist, Anti-White Racist, Hypocrite, Sophist, Deceiver, Manipulator, Warmonger, Vulgar Culture, Morally Depraved......Enemy

    Death to Globalists

  8. #98
    Sage
    Ontologuy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    5,515

    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    There is always so much cry over outsourcing that people forget about the flip side of the coin: insourcing. Plenty of other companies in foreign countries are outsourcing jobs to the United States. These companies include Toyota (in fact, many car companies), Nesle, and many others.

    Insourcing Facts

    Nearly 5% of private sector employment is by a foreign company.
    And where are those Toyotas sold? That's right: America.

    So how about we make a rule, that you can make it abroad if you want, but you have to sell it abroad, too.

    That keeps the economies in scale.

    The problem occurs when we make a pair of jeans in Jordan or Kenya by wage-slaves and sell them for $7.00/pair at Wal-Mart .. forcing clothing manufacturers/distributors/etc. in America out of business and their employees into unemployment lines.

    We can do better by our fellow Americans.
    You don't trust Trump? Well, there's only one way to leverage him to do what's economically right for us all: Powerful American Political Alliance. Got courage?! .. and a mere $5.00?

  9. #99
    #NeverTrump
    a351's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Space Coast
    Last Seen
    09-09-17 @ 08:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    6,902

    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Yes, wingnuts: MCIs and CGEs and those left and right who bow to them.



    And when taken to extreme they cause in- and out- sourcing of American jobs to wage-slaves.

    It would seem that less extremism is in order.

    Perhaps we have the wrong neanderthals running our corporations, and a little less Darwinian dog-eat-dogism would do us well.



    Or, in other, words, the truth of my obviously accurate analogy doesn't escape you, and you have a particular agenda here as you describe.



    You seem to like to deal in extremes.

    It's not a question of whether it existed (one extreme) or not (the other extreme); creating a false dichotomy is meaningless.

    The fact remains that it's best to keep damaging aberrations to a minimum, which occurred through measures of statutes, statutes which began being dismantled during the Reagan corporate socialist movement .. until the stage was set at the turn of the century for greater exploitation of "labor markets" abroad.

    As to a more important figure now, the real un- and under- employment rate of around 14% isn't going to decrease much any time soon .. and is likely to suddenly skyrocket again .. like it did in the post-holiday season of 1933, because, then, as now, we couldn't get Americans working again, and the dead-weight eventually sunk enough additional American businesses to bring the next level down too.



    I'm not ignoring anything.

    I'm not even questioning the questionable veracity of your assertion.

    I do question how important is "the economy" if too many people are out of work.

    I realize "the economy" has value to those who bullishly seek to profit from it.

    When we can find a way to make "the economy" "strong" and eliminate in- and out- sourcing to wage-slaves, then we'll be better Americans because of it.

    Indeed, when it comes to ignoring something, it's time for "economists" and "labor analysts" to stop ignoring the horrific plight of the millions of unemployed Americans back then .. and the scores of millions of Americans now remaining without full-time living-wage jobs.



    Are you purposely misconstruing, or was my starightforward presentation too complex for you?

    Wingnuts are denying that the jobs stolen from Americans were stolen.

    The reality is that the sub-prime securities crisis, as it was more accurately referenced, was, indeed, precipitated on precisely that: sub-primers having their jobs in- and out- sourced from under them in the, as you admit here, ramp-up of such job stealing entering the middle of the past decade. All that turn-of-the-century effort to bring sub-primers into the real estate market backfired when our corporations subsequently ramped-up their Darwinian dog-eat-dogism competition. Once sub-primers lost their jobs .. their mortage eventually followed.

    Only a revisionist bent on hiding their agendas would deny the now long-known reality of it.


    I wouldn't know of such things.

    Businesses tend to follow the money trail. In the current economic climate there is simply little to no motivation to confine ones business inside of a country with stagnant growth and higher wage demands. Not to mention the likely result of your ideal Darwinian free scenario would lead to higher prices for consumers of each and every wage grouping.

    No, it was terribly misplaced.

    It seems as if you have omitted the 90's from that particular excerpt? Any reason for that?

    "Stolen" as if all jobs are pre destined to be US bound? As if labor markets should opt for stagnation in lieu of modernization and expansion?

    The sub prime collapse was precipitated upon many unique circumstances outside of the realm of that particular phenomena. Chalking up the entire collapse, or even the bulk of it to outsourcing is downright foolish.

  10. #100
    Enemy Combatant
    Kandahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Washington, DC
    Last Seen
    10-15-13 @ 08:47 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    20,688

    Re: "Free Trade" OR "Protectionism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    What makes you entitled to live in the country I live in?
    I'm happy with America's generally pro-trade attitude toward the rest of the world. If you'd prefer to live in a closed economy, I hear North Korea is a worker's paradise.
    Are you coming to bed?
    I can't. This is important.
    What?
    Someone is WRONG on the internet! -XKCD

Page 10 of 17 FirstFirst ... 89101112 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •