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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    because anyone who has ever gone to an ER knows that our ER costs are significantly inflated inorder to compensate for the costs of folks who have NO health insurance and get treated by the ER anyways.
    And these costs will be shifted how? It'll still cost money for people to go to the ER. If I'm not mistaken, the burden is placed on the wealthiest Americans. If they wanna go to the ER, they gotta pay.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    This explains why we have to respect people. It doesn't explain why we have to go out of our way to save people.

    Theoretically speaking, you could be permanently enslaved by people constantly hanging off a cliff. Now, your entire life is spent saving them, and you're never entitled to live your own time or exercise your own energy or attention.

    By the same token, weak ones would be expected to save people hanging off a cliff, even if they couldn't afford to do so without falling off themselves.
    I guess that depends on whether you think a self-referential life is worth living. I don't, and neither do most other people. I don't see the point in living if I am not interacting with other people. I'm a human - a social creature - and my life loses all its meaning if it is not spent predominantly in interacting with others. What is the point of existing in a vacuum? I can sit in my apartment and potter about all day long until everything about my environment is perfect, and it will still be lacking.



    No... that's prejudiced. You should have to exert equal simultaneous effort saving both.
    I am not strong enough to save both. If I tried, both would die, and probably, so would I. What is the point of that? That would be a waste of my energy, and result in a 3-fold larger loss of life. That's stupid.

    No, that's coercion.

    Nobody asks to be born into society. Therefore, we are all hostages. A hostage is not obligated to so much as lift a finger for one's hostage takers.

    Your statement sounds politically correct, but that's just because you're making an appeal to cohesion (people living together), not an appeal to foundations (people making individual decisions).

    Unfortunately, cohesion doesn't exist without foundations, so that's an argument by stolen concept.
    You always have the option of killing yourself. And I believe very fervently in assisted suicide for virtually any reason, because of exactly the point you've made: none of us get to choose to be here, or under what circumstances. And I think it is wrong to force people to kill themselves in messy or ineffective ways, subjecting their loved ones to more pain than necessary, or causing them to continue living with the damage. I think it should be quick and painless and relatively easy.

    I do not believe in coercion in the least. If you want to check out, I'd love to help make that easier for you. If you want to stay and contribute, I will contribute back.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Today - its available for nearly all...even the native Americans may have clinics in many cases..
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    Those silly savages! How dare they?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    She never said anything about not taking responsibility for your well being. But the fact that we won the freaking birth lottery by being born in America is not something we should take for granted, and we must realize that the reason our lives are so great compared to the rest of the world is that our society is stable, and that we have one of the best forms of government.
    And I attribute all those good things more to notions of indvidualism, liberty from the government as much as possible, as well as a free market and the benefits of capitalism.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And I attribute all those good things more to notions of indvidualism, liberty from the government as much as possible, as well as a free market and the benefits of capitalism.
    Did you mean to quote me, X?
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Is it the embodiment of conservatives and republicans to draw back a couple hundred years? It's the 21st century folks.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Did you mean to quote me, X?
    Lol, no sorry, I checked off one of your posts and now it's following me.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    And these costs will be shifted how? It'll still cost money for people to go to the ER. If I'm not mistaken, the burden is placed on the wealthiest Americans. If they wanna go to the ER, they gotta pay.
    if everyone who goes to the ER has health-insurance, the ER will always get their money...won't have to eat any more unpaid bills...and therefore lower EVERYBODIES ER bills.

    got it?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Imo health care for all is part of Social Justice. The problem is that Social Justice isn't part of the Social Contract as far as I'm concerned. If the left wants to make Social Justice part of the Social Contract it is necessary to amend the Social Contract imo. Unless a new bargain is struck there really isn't any hope for social peace.

    I know that Liberals don't want to believe this. So it's the responsiblity of conservatives and the school of hard knocks to prove to liberals that this is true.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
    Is it the embodiment of conservatives and republicans to draw back a couple hundred years? It's the 21st century folks.
    I know. You'd think people would understand respecting the autonomy of personhood is fundamental to civilization, but apparently, some people are still stuck on "might makes right" collectivist power politics.

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