View Poll Results: Is access to health care a privilege, right or responsibility?

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Thread: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    I assume you are in a flippant way saying that everyone needs healthcare. Even so, we can be forced into it.
    Not exactly. Some will not change their mind when they have a health problem and trust in God. So, should we accomidate them by compromising a more optimum solution for the majority of people. I have posted several times in the past about a tea party family demonstration against Obama Care about 3 years ago. They owed the hospital over $90,000 for his care since only the wife had insurance. They had decided they couldn't afford to add him to her insurance. So instead of holding to their beliefs they were essentially asking me to pay for his hospital care.
    Flippant?
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Not exactly. Some will not change their mind when they have a health problem and trust in God. So, should we accomidate them by compromising a more optimum solution for the majority of people. I have posted several times in the past about a tea party family demonstration against Obama Care about 3 years ago. They owed the hospital over $90,000 for his care since only the wife had insurance. They had decided they couldn't afford to add him to her insurance. So instead of holding to their beliefs they were essentially asking me to pay for his hospital care.
    Flippant?
    So you think the solution to them essentially asking you to pay for their healthcare is for the government to FORCE you to pay for their healthcare?
    That aside, I do not find UHC being Constitutional. It would require the government to force citizens to purchase healthcare. SCOTUS just ruled they can't do that.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Responsibility. Those without healthcare cost the taxpayers a boatload of money annually.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    So you would not support mandatory Universal healthcare in the United States since the supreme court has ruled the government can't force citizens into commerce according to our Constitution?
    The Supreme court ruled that the government can apply a penalty tax to those who do not purchase health insurance, thus upholding the conservatives insurance mandate. I would have preferred the public option, and still believe we will have to make that upgrade eventually as most of the rest of the industrialized world has already done.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I hope this is pretty self explanatory. What do you think? This'll be multiple choice and I'll include an "other". Give me a sec to get the poll up.
    Apparently now it's mandatory. The other three are moot.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Supreme court ruled that the government can apply a penalty tax to those who do not purchase health insurance...
    Usually when governments want to disallow a behavior in the society they govern, they pass a law to criminalize it. I suppose that's what has been done in this case, making it illegal to not buy from a company... but so why the different names, e.g. "penalty tax?"

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Usually when governments want to disallow a behavior in the society they govern, they pass a law to criminalize it. I suppose that's what has been done in this case, making it illegal to not buy from a company... but so why the different names, e.g. "penalty tax?"
    See uninsured motorists fee.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    See uninsured motorists fee.
    Do we pay this even if we aren't motorists?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Supreme court ruled that the government can apply a penalty tax to those who do not purchase health insurance, thus upholding the conservatives insurance mandate. I would have preferred the public option, and still believe we will have to make that upgrade eventually as most of the rest of the industrialized world has already done.
    The first thing they ruled in this case is that the federal government can't force a person into commerce in order to then regulate that commerce. This is how I see UHC.
    Also I don't believe the final chapter has been written on the Constitutionality of the tax. More lawsuits are going to follow.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    More lawsuits are going to follow.
    Well do let us know how they turn out! In the meantime, health care reform is the rule of law.
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