View Poll Results: Is access to health care a privilege, right or responsibility?

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    26 23.42%
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    49 44.14%
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    39 35.14%
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    31 27.93%
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Thread: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Stop sipping the koolaid and take a REAL look at RomneyCare, paying particular attention to its REAL costs, and continued abuses (temporary use of coverege and continued free ER care use) when put into actual pratice. It is easy to make generalizations and rosy predictions, even tosay the two are the same, but to deny reality, takes true partisanship.

    Link: Massachusetts health care reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    He supported the mandate and you support him. Am I wrong about that?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    As Mitt Romney and Barack Obama says, personal healthcare should be a mandate. Mitt Romney likes mandates. Can't dog out Obamacare without dogging out Romney too.

    Here's the funny part. Rightwingnuts hate Obamacare. But you never hear much out of them regarding Romneycare, which is a spitting image of Obamacare. This is all just partisan hackery.

    Here's one for the rightwingers. Watch and cringe. Mitt Obama..er...Romney at the 2008 GOP New Hampshire debates.

    Even without Romney care, Mitt is unpopular with conservatives. Just goes to show that the fringe isn't controlling the party. The Republicans aren't conservative enough on fiscal issues.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He supported the mandate and you support him. Am I wrong about that?
    I don't support EITHER, but am an ABO voter none the less. You see, yet you refuse to believe, that takes a special brand of moron. Obama blames the "Obama" tax rates used by Bush, yet keeps them, doubles the deficit, lowers the SS payroll taxes and pretends to save money, by passing PPACA that raises taxes but calls that saving money. When asked what in PPACA saves any REAL medical care costs (overall), YOU folks are silent yet the entire purpose was said to be to save money, NOT to simply redistribute income. Hmm...
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I don't support EITHER, but am an ABO voter none the less. You see, yet you refuse to believe, that takes a special brand of moron. Obama blames the "Obama" tax rates used by Bush, yet keeps them, doubles the deficit, lowers the SS payroll taxes and pretends to save money, by passing PPACA that raises taxes but calls that saving money. When asked what in PPACA saves any REAL medical care costs (overall), YOU folks are silent yet the entire purpose was said to be to save money, NOT to simply redistribute income. Hmm...
    You largely miss the actual arguments. You also can't seem to distinquish between political rhethoric both sides use and actual arguments.

    As for taxes, no, you pay no tax unless you refuse to be insured. So, a general tax has not been passed. You're misrepresnting the issue for partisan reasons, as best I can tell.

    Also, I have not been silent. I have answered you. You have not replied back that I know of. But I have answered you.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That's actually not the position of the GOP, the party diverges along two ideologies actually, there is a constitutionalist wing and a wing that is almost liberal in it's desire for more government than the founders envisioned(though less than many Democrats). It's split between the old guard and the new conservatives from the south. What Republicans tend to be against are expansions without a definitive fit to the necessary and proper standard, it isn't about "screw the poor".

    In reality, Republicans tend to infight and shoot themselves in the foot too long to get a unified and coherent message of where the party stands and end up looking like they are spineless and stupied. Both Republican and conservative Democrats when being honest agree on the real fixes, but no one has the political will to do it. The fixes are incredibly difficult and there are about three major lobbies on either side of the aisle to contend with.




    Alot of truth to your post...but tell me exactly what the republican plan has been in lieu of Obamacare aside from a big fat NO and we will repeal it

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    I don't want to subject Americans to anything - they are big and ugly enough to make their own decisions. I am simply pointing out the principles by which Universal Health Care is operated in the rest of the developed world, and wondering why systems which have stood the test of time for over half a century elsewhere, should be such a challenge for the wealthiest, most powerful, nation on earth.
    It's only a challenge for people who think debt matters and that we can't spend increasing amounts of money indefinitely without consequence. For people who think money and public credit has no limits, nothing is a challenge... everything becomes really simple. The belief in these universal medical care entitlements is rooted in the failure to recognize the limits of public credit and the eventual risks of inflation.

    Medicare, for example, has been around for almost 50 years now. That does not change a thing about the havoc it's wreaking on the country financially, even though you could point to its longevity and allege it's stood "the test of time."
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Alot of truth to your post...but tell me exactly what the republican plan has been in lieu of Obamacare aside from a big fat NO and we will repeal it
    Tort reform and....that's about it, as far as I can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You largely miss the actual arguments. You also can't seem to distinquish between political rhethoric both sides use and actual arguments.

    As for taxes, no, you pay no tax unless you refuse to be insured. So, a general tax has not been passed.
    A new, previously unconstitutional type f tax has just been established by the SCOTUS.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    A new, previously unconstitutional type f tax has just been established by the SCOTUS.
    Hardly. The court has ruled on that. I will never understand why people always react to answers they don't like this way.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    You are completely free except those chains?
    And which chains might those be. Don't be shy - I'm a Brit, we can take it. Just point out the freedoms you enjoy that we do not - let the chips fall where they may. Or can you not actually find any?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Absolutely! I person stays healthy and has to pay for others unhealthy lifestyles? Merely because they are wealthy. That is certainly a penalty. (even the healthcare law says its a penalty). Police and fire are local functions not the federal government. National defense is part of the Constitution of the United States. Health Care...not so much.
    I don't know how many times I need to make this point - but I am discussing the topic as designated - Health Care; Privilege, Right or Responsibility. I am not discussing the Constitution of the United States, or the health care laws of the US, nor am I concerned with the distinctions of your state and federal legislation. If the topic had been designated Health Care in the USA, these matters might have had some relevance.

    The need for medical attention across the world is not dictated by deliberate unhealthy lifestyles, nor do I believe this is so in the USA (despite your level of obesity). Disease, accidents, genetic abnormalities, all require medical intervention. To argue that the healthy at any given point in time are being penalised by contributing to a medical system which provides for the entire citizenry, simply makes no sense. Given that the social contract requires us all to contribute, via taxation, to the welfare of society in which we live, how can you logically argue this?
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