View Poll Results: Is access to health care a privilege, right or responsibility?

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Thread: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Natural Law isn't exclusive to nature. It's very prevalent in society.
    I guess we'll get to see this year how prevalent your "natural law" is in society, when people go to the polls to choose between a continuation of health benefits for our senors vs a continuation of the tax cuts for the rich.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I guess we'll get to see this year how prevalent your "natural law" is in society, when people go to the polls to choose between a continuation of health benefits for our senors vs a continuation of the tax cuts for the rich.
    Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've stated here.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I have to say I do get quality health care some of the best in the world.
    No one is saying its not good. I was responding to the comment that you cant have UHC and quality healthcare at the same time. Numerous reports, and analysis have proven this a huck of **** claim.

    Did it drive me broke?
    Thats a damn shame.

    Yep, so my quality of life has suffered tremendously because of that.
    Good for you.


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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    And none of us chose for them to have disabilities either. How does them not choosing to have the disability make the rest of society responsible for their misfortune?

    My beliefs hold me to support them also. My beliefs also hold me not to compel another to do so.
    Those "beliefs" about supporting the unfortunate have never amounted to a hill of beans so we have moved on to more effective ways to really help people. That should delight a man of you "beliefs.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything I've stated here.
    You Don't like that choice huh.
    How about 16 million insured getting checks totaling $1.1 Billion from their insurance companies for gouging them on premiums. Along with the checks will be a note saying this is because ObamaCares. Sweet huh?


    Under The Affordable Care Act insurers are required to spend a certain portion of their premiums on care instead of administrative costs. If they do not they must refund the difference. The nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation has projected refunds would total about $1.3 billion and go to roughly 16 million people who buy their own policies or get them through an employer.
    Kaiser estimates checks would range from an average of $72 for those with insurance through a large employer to an average of $127 for those who bought individual policies.
    Rules finalized by the Department of Health and Human Services on Friday tell insurers that the following text must be put in a letter to beneficiaries who receive a rebate:
    “This letter is to inform you that you will receive a rebate of a portion of your health insurance premiums. This rebate is required by the Affordable Care Act-the health reform law.”
    Read more at Insurers Must Credit Obamacare When Isuing Rebate Checks

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You Don't like that choice huh.
    What choice? I'm talking about something completely different, guy.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Lets take a review the purpose of the Constitution which I submit trumps your opinion on health care:

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    Preamble to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Just like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security have all been upheld under our Constitution.
    The Preamble isn't justification for any law. As far as the Constitutionality of the law, Nearly as many Justices ruled it unconstitutional as ruled it constitutional. And the at least one of the majority said it was in fact unconstitutional as written. I would bet money the final chapter isn't written by the Supreme Court on this one. Now, however the SCOTUS can't accept another case until someone has paid the tax.
    This thread however asks is it a right privilege or responsibility, not if it's Constitutional. My point is how do you provide a "right" to one person (a patient) if it can ONLY be provide by a second person (a doctor)? What if the doctor refuses?
    From the ashes.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    The Preamble isn't justification for any law. As far as the Constitutionality of the law, Nearly as many Justices ruled it unconstitutional as ruled it constitutional. And the at least one of the majority said it was in fact unconstitutional as written. I would bet money the final chapter isn't written by the Supreme Court on this one. Now, however the SCOTUS can't accept another case until someone has paid the tax.
    This thread however asks is it a right privilege or responsibility, not if it's Constitutional. My point is how do you provide a "right" to one person (a patient) if it can ONLY be provide by a second person (a doctor)? What if the doctor refuses?
    An excelent point. You can provide no right to a good or service, especially to a PRIAVTE good or service. The MOST that the gov't can do is to provide you funds, via a payment or tax "prebate" that it HOPES that you use for this intended purpose, like they do for "food" with SNAP.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    An excelent point. You can provide no right to a good or service, especially to a PRIAVTE good or service. The MOST that the gov't can do is to provide you funds, via a payment or tax "prebate" that it HOPES that you use for this intended purpose, like they do for "food" with SNAP.
    We could make it public, like police and fire departments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We could make it public, like police and fire departments.
    Universal individual basic needs should never be public. If we vastly reduced what is medically covered to something specific, rare and unlucky, such as, say, traumatic accidents and containment of highly contagious lethal pathogens, I'd be less adamant. The need for police and fire is uncommon, as are needs for emergency hospital interventions for traumatic accidents.

    But illness and death in old age are universal inevitabilities, so socializing all those costs and calling it "insurance" is silly. No insurance money should ever spent on old age, because at that point it's not insurance against a rare unlikelihood, but rather an act of squandering money on life-prolonging hail maries that are ultimately futile.

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