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Thread: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post

    Medicare is for ALL citizens that are at least 65 years old.
    Medicaid is a state/federal program for ALL citizens up to the poverty level established.
    Social Security is for ALL citizens based on age/disability and rates vary based on lifetime contributions.
    Right, just like the GOP's insurance mandate is for ALL citizens.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post

    "Well the Supreme Court said so!" I guess I no longer care what all batsh** crazy things have been upheld. So many abuses and twisting semantic rationalizations have passed through the Court, championed by the spendthrifts in Congress and the White House, that the Constitution has been utterly voided.
    Not a fan of the rule of law based on the US Constitution, eh?
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Not a fan of reading, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not a fan of the rule of law based on the US Constitution, eh?
    Not a fan of rendering words and concepts meaningless by way of loose association and semantic acrobatics.

    Something tells me you wouldn't smugly play this supremacy card if you disagreed with the Court's decision on the issue at hand.

    By the way, "based on the Constitution," a direct tax not based on population is unconstitutional per Article I of the constitution, and the Court just arbitrarily contradicted this with its decision. So when the "rule of law" is amorphous and interpreted in any backward way, and is rendered changed by decisions of the court, without ratification, yes, you could say I am not a fan of that.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 07-03-12 at 08:02 PM.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    Don't have a problem paying for these types of things as long as government acts responsible in doing these things, which I feel they are not doing the best job, thanks to political radicals on both sides of the spectrum.
    Which is my point. the problem isn't taxation, it's misuse of tax dollars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's never been enough. That is why most of us have moral codes that we live by, whether religious based or not.
    It's the only absolute reason to survive, which transcends any moral code, religious belief, or custom. Anything beyond natural law is up to the individual.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Not a fan of rendering words and concepts meaningless by way of loose association and semantic acrobatics.

    Something tells me you wouldn't smugly play this supremacy card if you disagreed with the Court's decision on the issue at hand.

    I disagree with Citizen's United, but I accept it as the rule of law under our Constitution. That is the difference between you and I.

    By the way, "based on the Constitution," a direct tax not based on population is unconstitutional per Article I of the constitution, and the Court just arbitrarily contradicted this with its decision. So when the "rule of law" is amorphous and interpreted in any backward way, and is rendered changed by decisions of the court, without ratification, yes, you could say I am not a fan of that.
    The Supreme Court is specifically cited in the Constitution as the body that determines what is Constitutional, and what is not. I can find no reference in the Constitution about issues being decided by anonymous internet dudes.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    It's the only absolute reason to survive, which transcends any moral code, religious belief, or custom. Anything beyond natural law is up to the individual.
    For those that live in the wild possibly . Those that live in society must follow moral codes.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    You either get Universal or you get quality healthcare, the two do not exist, nor can they exist at the same time. While not a complete oxymoron like freedom in a socialist society, they do have a tendency to cancel each other out.
    That's pretty much false. You have no reason to believe that and the plethora of first world countries that have UHC prove your statement false.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    For those that live in the wild possibly . Those that live in society must follow moral codes.
    Or pay lip service to moral codes, picking and choosing as they please, while hiding what they really think from the rest of the populace.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    Or pay lip service to moral codes, picking and choosing as they please, while hiding what they really think from the rest of the populace.
    I would say some more so than others, and it beats living on your own in the wild, which is why you find very few living on their own in the wild.
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