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Thread: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I think its very easy to understand. If you are sick and need medication or treatment it is given to you. If you need meedicatin it is given to you. If you need surgey you will recieive. Very simple.
    unlimited, like the POTUS gets?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    To build and maintain the roads you drive on, which allows commerce and logistics to flow so you can actually buy and trade goods with great ease.
    I can agree with roads, a mixture of toll roads seems the better option, whether they be public or private. The GNO bridge has tolls and has left the Huey P Long bridge in the dust, though it is finally expanding! It cost 800k to maintain and nets over 20 million with over 60 million using it annually, that money should be helping support the horrible road systems in louisiana, something taxes have seemed unable to do. Well I'll share the blame with past government corruption in louisiana and the federal government taking away money for the states disobedience

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    To fund the schools you attend so you can actually have an education and get a degree.
    Not a big fan of compulsory education. Our education system isn't the best, good intentions, bad results. Basics should be taught then allow children of a certain age to start learning trades, becoming adept in a field they choose. Maybe we wouldnt even need to do the latter if minimum wage laws were'nt so bad, meaning teenagers could start working for a modest wage yet, gaining the skills they need to achieve success.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    To pay for the defense of the nation.
    I would more than willing to pay for defense. Defense is a key word but, is our current strategy really defensive? I would say were a very hostile country, forcing our ideals on other nations, creating all kinds of enemies along the way. I have to say 04-05 iraq was more dangerous, yet the people were a lot friendlier than 2010 when I was there. Also I have to add the military can be a double edged sword, it can be used for us and used against us, though I doubt a majority of soldiers would actually turn against the people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post
    and prosecution of criminal activity, etc. This country runs on taxes, and we all reap the benefits of it, whether we realize this or not.
    Prosecution, you mean the courts? Or police? Or both? Also what is criminal activity, anything the government dictates is illegal? Drugs, prostitution, drinking in public? Isnt it like 1 in 4 are non violent drug offenders?

    Don't have a problem paying for these types of things as long as government acts responsible in doing these things, which I feel they are not doing the best job, thanks to political radicals on both sides of the spectrum.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lokiate View Post


    The same point it always was: The natural drive to ensure survival, and to spread ones genes.
    That's never been enough. That is why most of us have moral codes that we live by, whether religious based or not.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Other: Healthcare is the labor of one man (woman) provided to another man (woman) for the economic benefit of the provider and health benefit of the payer. A right to another man's (woman's) labor can not be a right. Nor can I be responsible for something I can not prove. Privilege? maybe if the provider is willing I suppose.
    Lets take a review the purpose of the Constitution which I submit trumps your opinion on health care:

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

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    Just like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security have all been upheld under our Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Lets take a review the purpose of the Constitution which I submit trumps your opinion on health care:

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    Preamble to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Just like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security have all been upheld under our Constitution.
    It takes quite a ****ed up mind to argue a program like Medicare secures the blessings of liberty to our posterity, given that it actually deliberately flings ever greater cost onto them. Neither individually nor as a nation can it reasonably be argued that leaving a greater debt to our children than we inherited does them a favor.

    "Well the Supreme Court said so!" I guess I no longer care what all batsh** crazy things have been upheld. So many abuses and twisting semantic rationalizations have passed through the Court, championed by the spendthrifts in Congress and the White House, that the Constitution has been utterly voided.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 07-03-12 at 06:23 PM.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    unlimited, like the POTUS gets?
    Universal Healthcare. Is this to hard to understand?


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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Lets take a review the purpose of the Constitution which I submit trumps your opinion on health care:

    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    Preamble to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Just like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security have all been upheld under our Constitution.
    That is an apples to moonrocks comparison for sure.

    Medicare is for ALL citizens that are at least 65 years old.
    Medicaid is a state/federal program for ALL citizens up to the poverty level established.
    Social Security is for ALL citizens based on age/disability and rates vary based on lifetime contributions.

    PPACA is a MESS that is a plus for some, a minus for many others and has more exceptions than rules:
    * Some pay 100% (or their employer helps pay their premiums)
    * Some pay 2% to 8% of their pay and the taxpayers pay the rest (use the exchanges).
    * Some pay ZERO and get added to medicare.
    * None get to keep what they HAD - all is under gov't control now (subject to change without notice).
    Last edited by ttwtt78640; 07-03-12 at 06:44 PM.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    Dude its pretty simple everyone already works for everyones benefit. Get out of your cage and open your damn eyes. This isnt hard to understand.
    I see your problem. You and Catawba believe everyone is already a slave. Here I am objecting to becoming a slave when you believe I am your slave already.

    Disgusting.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Universal Healthcare. Is this to hard to understand?
    You either get Universal or you get quality healthcare, the two do not exist, nor can they exist at the same time. While not a complete oxymoron like freedom in a socialist society, they do have a tendency to cancel each other out.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Absolutely nothing can be a "right" if it must be provided by another person and especially if another person must be forced to provide it.

    Someone may claim they have the right to use my tax monies to provide them healthcare, but I also have the right to refuse to and I have the right to keep and bear arms to ensure that I keep my right not to. Anyone attempting to exercise their "right" for me to provide them healthcare may find that they no longer have a need for healthcare (or if I am not very accurate, they may need more healthcare, but not from me).

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