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Thread: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Because you're part of the society that makes my life possible. My life in which I have safe water, access to education, and limitless potential so far as I am willing and desirous to pursue it. That's why.
    Wow, that is so not how I view things. I'd rather take responsibility for myself rather than concern myself with what everyone else should do to make "my life possible".

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Everyone should have the right to proper medical care.
    Then the government can't provide it. If the government provides it, it is a privilege.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    First off, no one is being taken hostage, so your analogy falls flat on it's face right there.
    Did you consent to be born?

    Secondly, quality health care for all is part of being in a stable society, which leads to high living conditions, and a great chance of having a good life.
    Stability is subjective.

    Also you can want to do something to help your fellow person without it having any direct benefit for you, not all things are cold economic decisions, humanity comes into our thinking.
    Whoa, whoa, whoa.

    I never said there's anything wrong with being concerned for your friends. The question here is a matter of rights though, not concerns.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    the healthier a society is, the more efficient & prosperous it is, the richer everyone is.

    that's why considering healthcare a right....ends up benefiting us all.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    None of the above. It's a service.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the healthier a society is, the more efficient & prosperous it is, the richer everyone is.

    that's why considering healthcare a right....ends up benefiting us all.
    Costing us more money doesn't benefit us at all.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the healthier a society is, the more efficient & prosperous it is, the richer everyone is.

    that's why considering healthcare a right....ends up benefiting us all.
    Oh so we had to become healthy before we could become prosperous, I would think it is the other way around.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Costing us more money doesn't benefit us at all.
    how does a healthier, more productive, and more efficient society end up costing us more?

    if anything, it will end up costing us LESS.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Everyone should have the right to proper medical care.
    Everyone should have the right to the services of another?

    A house is just as much needed as health care. So should everyone have the right to have a house built for them? Clothing is also just as needed.

    The only thing you should have a right to, is what you can personally provide for.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    This is Stockholm Syndrome. You're saying people should be grateful for their hostage takers. It's a strategic choice since it makes you look good, but it's not ethical.

    You're also saying that all parts of society are equally causal. Would you save two people who are hanging off a cliff equally even if one influenced your life more?
    Um, what are you talking about? Hostage takers?

    They are, after a fashion. Even the weak ones who can't provide for themselves bring out an important aspect of society. We are better as a people, and more ethical in general, the more we take care of the weak ones. Societies that care the least are the worst to live in.

    In your scenario, yes, I'd save the person I knew better. And the reason is because, ethically, it makes no difference who I save. Unless I know that one of them is some sort of serial killer or something, they are equals. I can't save both, so I must pick one. I would pick the one who would hurt the least for me to lose. Because ethically, there is no clear-cut answer, so I can decide for whatever arbitrary reasons I like. Either way, I will lose one of them.

    Again, you're enslaving supply to demand. Not only is potential limited, but potential takes commitment to be fulfilled.

    I'm not sure why you would even consider saving people who don't personally commit to your potential's fulfillment.
    Again, what are you talking about?

    If you hate this society so much, leave. That's the choice you have. I don't. I like it here. It could be a lot better, but at this point in human history, this is where we are. And when I say, "I like it here," I don't mean America in the generic. I like Minnesota, because it's a state that functions very well and takes extraordinary care of its people.

    Almost everyone does contribute something. The people who don't are few, and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt in order to provide for the overwhelming majority who contribute. We can never totally eliminate people who take advantage or cause harm, but that's a crappy reason to punish the majority.

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