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Thread: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The only reason voters allowed the tax rates to be temporarily cut for the rich was because of the promise of job creation. Since that did not materialize, there is no reason for voters to continue to allow them. That's what this election will be about.
    And the last one, that gave us Obama, that KEPT those rates was just practice? LOL
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    Look up ethics, since you obviously don't have a clue what an ethical argument is. Do you think the ethics of today just were born with the first man? All you've said said is other people dont think that way, you have no brain of your own to use in MY OPINION. If we followed your philosophy on matters, blacks would still be considered inferior.

    You can agree that stealing is immoral but, when government takes money, without my permission, it is moral.
    The Constitution and rule of law provide the permission for taxation. I don't have to look up ethics, I have studied ethics and there is nothing unethical about taxation with representation to cover the cost of services provided for society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The only reason voters allowed the tax rates to be temporarily cut for the rich was because of the promise of job creation. Since that did not materialize, there is no reason for voters to continue to allow them. That's what this election will be about.
    The tax rate cut was not as unreasonable as the belief that its legitimately government's objective to create an economy's jobs.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    And the last one, that gave us Obama, that KEPT those rates was just practice? LOL
    You mean when the GOP threatened to withhold unemployment benefits if their rich friends didn't continue to get their tax cuts? LOL!
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The tax rate cut was not as unreasonable as the belief that its legitimately government's objective to create an economy's jobs.
    Job creation is the only reason voters allowed the temporary tax cuts for the rich.
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    Swinging back to the topic a bit, we don't have rights TO anything being provided to us. The only things we have rights TO are the things we formed a contract with someone to acquire. Beyond that we have a right to receive equal treatment under the law. Otherwise our rights are to be free from undue interference in our lives.

    Needs are not rights. It doesn't matter how much I need something, it is not my right to have it furnished for my personal benefit at the expense of any other or all others.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    What happens if you I dont pay taxes(legal plunder) for your education, medical care, or whatever else you want socialized? Or in this case insurance.
    Same thing that happens with you now. You get a visit from the friendly tax agency.
    Its not like if we implement UHC that "tax death squads" are going to be running about.

    I cant resist, can I? Oh wait I can, but I will be injured during the arrest, locked up, and fined or i could killed resisting.
    Uhhhh that all happends now so what the hell are you getting at

    You are not personally doing it no, this is true, but you might as well be cause it is through your will this happens. Vote, will, ideology same thing.
    So if we implement UHC stuff that already happens now if we dont pay taxes will still keep on happening. Am i correct?


    I'm sure you support social contract. I'm born here so I have no real freedom, I have the illusion through voting. "You can just leave if you dont want to be here" is the argument most say. Why am I forced to leave my home?

    What kind of supposed free society is this?


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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Up is down. Left is right. Hard is easy.
    What?


    Got it. I suppose when words have precisely the meaning you want for them at that very moment then socialism can make sense to you.
    You want others to work for your benefit. That is slavery.
    Dude its pretty simple everyone already works for everyones benefit. Get out of your cage and open your damn eyes. This isnt hard to understand.


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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    Why is money needed to sustain society? In what way is this needed?
    To build and maintain the roads you drive on, which allows commerce and logistics to flow so you can actually buy and trade goods with great ease. To fund the schools you attend so you can actually have an education and get a degree, to pay for the defense of the nation, and prosecution of criminal activity, etc. This country runs on taxes, and we all reap the benefits of it, whether we realize this or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You make the case of people being smarter, not less moral. What would be the point of survival without morality?
    The same point it always was: The natural drive to ensure survival, and to spread ones genes.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Other: Healthcare is the labor of one man (woman) provided to another man (woman) for the economic benefit of the provider and health benefit of the payer. A right to another man's (woman's) labor can not be a right. Nor can I be responsible for something I can not prove. Privilege? maybe if the provider is willing I suppose.
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