View Poll Results: Is access to health care a privilege, right or responsibility?

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Thread: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I hope this is pretty self explanatory. What do you think? This'll be multiple choice and I'll include an "other". Give me a sec to get the poll up.
    Other. It's a provided service.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Which of us is arguing that some ought to labor, on demand, with no compensation, for the benefit of others?
    Im "using that argument"?


    Let's see, you believe someone ought to work for your benefit. How is that not slavery?
    Everyone works for everyone's benefit if you did not realize that..
    That food you ate someone grew, someone picked, someone inspected, someone trucked, someone put it on the shelf.


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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    UHC.
    If your sick, if you need surgery, if you need treatment.
    That doesn't answer the question, and if you make health care a right without being specific, you could end up with something less than aspirin.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    That doesn't answer the question, and if you make health care a right without being specific, you could end up with something less than aspirin.
    Yep, the less control you have personally the less options you end up with. Some people use the private insurance denials as a comparison, but with private plans you can do research, speak with an agent, and choose alternatives. Under UHC you pay additional taxes for an insufficiently funded system and take whatever "they" give you.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Im going to "kill you, lock you up, hurt you, and steal from you"? What?
    What happens if you I dont pay taxes(legal plunder) for your education, medical care, or whatever else you want socialized? Or in this case insurance.

    I cant resist, can I? Oh wait I can, but I will be injured during the arrest, locked up, and fined or i could killed resisting. You are not personally doing it no, this is true, but you might as well be cause it is through your will this happens. Vote, will, ideology same thing.

    I'm sure you support social contract. I'm born here so I have no real freedom, I have the illusion through voting. "You can just leave if you dont want to be here" is the argument most say. Why am I forced to leave my home?

    What kind of supposed free society is this?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Im "using that argument"?
    Everyone works for everyone's benefit if you did not realize that..
    That food you ate someone grew, someone picked, someone inspected, someone trucked, someone put it on the shelf.
    Up is down. Left is right. Hard is easy.

    Got it. I suppose when words have precisely the meaning you want for them at that very moment then socialism can make sense to you.
    You want others to work for your benefit. That is slavery.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Before we get too mired in the polemics devolving about socialism and capitalism, we should remember that there are no 'God given' rights. Even the rights enumerated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and universally accepted as such, are simply the result of agreement between those societies who have formally accepted this declaration. So, outside and including such international agreements, all rights are granted by the society concerned.

    Different societies will value different rights more or less, and will interpret such matters differently. 'Freedom of speech' is an example thereof. Some societies allow freedom of speech up to the point where it impinges upon the rights of others to go about their business lawfully, without being the subject of public slander. Others allow anyone to say anything publicly, even to the point of engendering hatred of entire demographics.

    The vast majority of developed societies value health care for everyone, irrespective of financial or social standing, and employ systems designed to ensure this. In those societies, health care is regarded as both, a right of the individual, and a responsibility of the society concerned. In other societies, principally third world ones, health care is regarded as a privilege, and the province of the very wealthy. It very much depends upon the human values of the society concerned.

    In short, there is no possible answer to the question posed in the OP. Were that question - "Should health care be a privilege, right, or responsibility?" It might be more easily answered, but the responses would still be subjective - depending upon the nationality and value system of the responder. If you regard taxation as tantamount to robbery under arms - end of discussion on any aspects of civilisation!
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    If you regard taxation as tantamount to robbery under arms - end of discussion on any aspects of civilisation!
    So taking my money without my permission is not robbery or as I stated LEGAL PLUNDER? And when I refuse I'm not confronted by men with guns?

    What aspects? You make it sound as if taxes create civilization.
    Last edited by LibertyBurns; 07-03-12 at 01:14 AM.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    So taking my money without my permission is not robbery or as I stated LEGAL PLUNDER?
    And expecting the government to back your money up is what?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    in a perfect world, healthcare is a responsibility that all people take seriously.

    but unfortunately, in the real-world...many folks don't take this responsibility seriously, until their lives depend on it.

    ....and then they are up ****'s creek.

    which gives society the choice of letting them die....or treating them even though they can't afford it by any means.

    so of course, we heal the sick...regardless of their ability to pay. and then we ALL share the cost.

    so unless we are gonna let folks simply die on the street, everyone should have adequate health insurance.

    either we require folks to buy it & we help them do this..or we fund it for all through taxes.
    This is why I think we should amend the ACA with an automatic public PPO. The government creates a basic PPO and you can use that as your health insurance if you want to. Your other option is to have private insurance (or some other form). If you already have health insurance through your company or have bought into one of the exchanges or you have the VA or Medicare, you don't have to pay premiums into the public PPO. If you don't have anything else, you're automatically enrolled into the public PPO and you pay premiums (or taxes) into it. That way, everyone is insured and gone are the days when an uninsured person goes into the ER with an emergency (heart attack, car wreck or whatever) and then stiffs them for payment. It would also eliminate the need for a penalty for those who don't purchase insurance.

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