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Thread: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I have stated before here that the WHO uses selective and biased models. Instead of looking at morbidity rates as catagories they kind of simplify things like taking out lifestyles between the different countries. For instance the U.S. has more urban violence leading to murder where Europes violence is often higher but with less murders, much of this comes down to urban gang and drug violence, but, because it falls under mortality it is put into that age groups suvival rates, there are other similar biases(not sure whether these are intentional or unintended biases due to differing models). The people who do the best math on healthcare are insurance industry actuaries, it's actually scary how many people will fall ill to/die of what causes compared to their probability models. I'm not knocking the systems of other countries but rather the data model of the WHO, from what I understand emergency care is sufficient in most models as is chronic illness care but for most life threatening care the U.S. still leads if I remember correctly.
    I was only using this because that was the ranking system that was used by the other, when you investigate it further, it doesnt seem all that reliable. Plus wasnt the last WHO ranking in 2000? Dont think they do them anymore due to the complexity.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    I was only using this because that was the ranking system that was used by the other, when you investigate it further, it doesnt seem all that reliable. Plus wasnt the last WHO ranking in 2000? I think they dont think they do them anymore due to the complexity.
    Cool. Figured you were using it as an example, I think there was a more recent WHO ranking but not sure, haven't looked at any data since I left the insurance profession but even if it were to be updated it would need a more mathematically proper approach to be any more relevant.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Cool. Figured you were using it as an example, I think there was a more recent WHO ranking but not sure, haven't looked at any data since I left the insurance profession but even if it were to be updated it would need a more mathematically proper approach to be any more relevant.
    No couldnt fix my typos before you responded lol!!!

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    It is a absolute right.
    Your health is a right


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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It is a absolute right.
    Your health is a right
    So this our first "right" to goods or services that others have always bought and paid for? Just when and how did we acquire this right?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    To preface, I support UHC and not denying anyone access to medical care. However, I will not go so far as to say receiving healthcare is a "right" due to how that can be defined. If healthcare is a "right" I fear it may impede on the rights of practitioners to deny certain procedures due to their judgement (like cosmetic surgery or abortions). I fear labeling it as such could lead to abuse.

    I also think healthcare is your own responsibility and the ability to have access to quality healthcare is a privilege.
    Last edited by digsbe; 07-02-12 at 08:46 PM.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It is a absolute right.
    Your health is a right
    You have a right to be healthy? Tell that to genetics and disease. Not everyone is supposed to live, I'm sorry thats the way things work. No one is forcing you to die, but you are forcing people to help you. People should want to help you, but when you hold a gun to my head and say fix me, i lose all compassion for you.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So this our first "right" to goods or services that others have always bought and paid for? Just when and how did we acquire this right?
    You have the right to have health care no matter what. No matter how much you make, no matter you "pre existing condition", no matter your health. You have the right to your health which should be provided for you.
    You acquire this right when you are born.


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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyBurns View Post
    You have a right to be healthy?
    Healthcare. You have a right healthcare. See above post.


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