View Poll Results: Is access to health care a privilege, right or responsibility?

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Thread: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    I think its all of the above.

    Its a privilege because well all countries dont have what we have. technology facilitates etc.
    I also think in certain cases it should be restricted.

    its a right because we are a first world civil country. People should die in the streets because they are the wrong color or income or gender or sex etc. Now of course this has restrictions also

    its a responsibility because a person should make decent choices and be willing to set aside money to help insure good care. You eat KFC 3 times a day every day, drink every day, smoke every day and do heroin, well dont be surprised if the best care isnt just thrown at you and you arent rushed to the front of the line for lipo-section, a new heart, lungs, liver and a face lift lol

    and its other because its a mix of these things and others. It cant JUST be a right, just like your current rights are just rights, they are responsibilities and privileges.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Forgive my frustration, but if you had to pick which one of the following was the root of our health care problem, which would it be?

    A) People don't have health insurance (i.e. people cannot access pools of money for their health needs).

    B) Medical care is too expensive.
    How people use medical care.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    That's precisely the mechanism that controls cost in every other industry.
    Elasticity. Economics 101. Since you want to keep it basic. Not much is less elastic than health care, buddy.
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    FYI, I'd think for all the pro-lifers this would be a given. If you are 8 months old, how can you earn your right to health care?
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Know what I believe...that the majority of people against the health care bill...if they had no insurance or someone they loved..wife, son daughter and they were in jeopardy...they would love obamacare...its the haves that cant even fathom whats it really like to not have and its not just the bums..many middleclass workers cant afford it

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Know what I believe...that the majority of people against the health care bill...if they had no insurance or someone they loved..wife, son daughter and they were in jeopardy...they would love obamacare...its the haves that cant even fathom whats it really like to not have and its not just the bums..many middleclass workers cant afford it
    I don't have health insurance and I am against this bill. It is a noble goal but, this is not the way to go about it.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Why do we need this bill? People cannot afford healthcare. What are the causes of this? Is it because everyone doesnt chip in for insurance? I dont have it, I probably should but, then again like I stated earlier, I would have used it unnecessarily. More people chipping in for insurance will not drive the cost down. Yes more people may be covered but, what will be the effect of more people being covered have on the medical sector? More unnecessary usage? Obviously this will be the case. Will we have enough doctors to take on this increased demand? This is basic economics right here, supply and demand. Truthfully what we really need are more doctors like Dr. Ron Paul and Dr. Russell Dohner. This bill is gonna line the pockets of those insurance companies participating... Probably kill others and give us less choices.

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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    After reading through this entire thread, I am of the opinion that there are several, quite separate, issues which are being conflated.

    One is The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), informally referred to as Obamacare, to which many Americans appear to object for differing reasons. I can understand a particular objection to this Act - that of it not providing universal health care, but merely acting as corporate welfare for the health insurers. I would not want it in my society.

    Another issue is that of health care being a right in any given society, and of the government's responsibilities in that area. It is not a naturally occurring right, in exactly the same way that freedom of speech, the provision of education, or defence, are not naturally occurring rights, but are of benefit to society. So in the societal sense, and as a benefit to society as a whole, it should be as much a right as freedom of speech, education, or defence. A healthy society is more productive, thus generating more societal wealth and ability, which may be regarded as a clear benefit to that society. So, however it is funded, universal health care is a necessity for a successful and prosperous society.

    Yet another issue appears to be the fear that any form of universal health care will increase the cost to the individual of his own health care. This has not been the case in the rest of the developed world, as the US has the highest health care costs in the world. It may not be argued that this has resulted in the best health care outcomes, as the US was ranked 37th in the only ranking done by the WHO.

    So let us look at the financial principles involved. A taxation financed health care system has several fiscal advantages over one financed by premiums to many separate insurance companies.

    One of the more obvious advantages is the removal of the profit margins and operating costs of hundreds, if not thousands, of insurance companies.

    A greater advantage is the purchasing power of one powerful entity, as opposed to a myriad smaller ones. The pharmaceutical companies (a major cost in any health care environment) can be brought to heel on bulk buying - which is what happens in most UHC systems, resulting in much cheaper medications.

    And because everyone capable is paying into the system - one section of the community is not subsidising another. In a properly regulated system of this kind, the individual costs would in fact be lower than in the system current in the USA.

    This is not just theory - it is what is being practiced successfully in every other developed society. Which is why I was puzzled (in my earlier post) why this was even a matter for argument in the USA.

    And lest anyone consider that I am lecturing Americans on how they should run their society - I am not. I am pointing these things out as a matter of information (and because this is the topic under discussion) but how you run your country is your concern. You might also note that I have made no mention of a moral element in this issue.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Yet another issue appears to be the fear that any form of universal health care will increase the cost to the individual of his own health care. This has not been the case in the rest of the developed world, as the US has the highest health care costs in the world. It may not be argued that this has resulted in the best health care outcomes, as the US was ranked 37th in the only ranking done by the WHO.

    So let us look at the financial principles involved. A taxation financed health care system has several fiscal advantages over one financed by premiums to many separate insurance companies.

    One of the more obvious advantages is the removal of the profit margins and operating costs of hundreds, if not thousands, of insurance companies.

    A greater advantage is the purchasing power of one powerful entity, as opposed to a myriad smaller ones. The pharmaceutical companies (a major cost in any health care environment) can be brought to heel on bulk buying - which is what happens in most UHC systems, resulting in much cheaper medications.

    And because everyone capable is paying into the system - one section of the community is not subsidising another. In a properly regulated system of this kind, the individual costs would in fact be lower than in the system current in the USA.

    This is not just theory - it is what is being practiced successfully in every other developed society. Which is why I was puzzled (in my earlier post) why this was even a matter for argument in the USA.
    Any specific country you want to talk about?

    I don't think badly of these systems in comparison to our current system, but there are more factors involved. Are the lines long? A few ranked higher than us are. Are they good economically? A few countries come to mind. Now also may I ask about regulations? Cash payments instead of insurance?

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    The U.S. has a spending problem right now, medicaid and medicare are doing well for us already! I would state regulation and government intervention has caused this problem.
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    Re: Health Care; Privlege, Right or Responsibility?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    You don't need to explain that to me. I'm a health care provider, so I'm offended when people say that they have a right to my labor. My post went right over your head.
    I've been a provider, and I never thought of it that way. Yes, I took my check, but I have worked off the clock as well. I'm just saying I don't think of that service in terms of profit, not like I would selling widgets.

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