It is not just about having a right to your labor, which is slavery. The government, through this one decision has said that we no longer have a right to property. Of such things revolutions are born. My generation will not revolt. But the people who are in their twenties today sure better.
Contract Law for Beginners here.
The very reason the health care industry is so messed up and so astronomically expensive is that there is no contracting between providers and patients. Doc says "you should get this done." Patient says "Mkay, doc." Then the procedure happens and the bill is sent off to a far distant land for processing. If it somehow ends up back in the patient's mailbox, he protests. That's how removed we are from the price discipline that suppresses costs in every other market. As customers of this industry, we clearly expect to get all the health care we need when we need it, and virtually never expect to have to pay for it.
Ever ask a doctor what a test or procedure or medication he's recommending actually costs? I do every time I go and it exasperates them. They never know. It seems like many patients never ask. Think about that for a second. The person offering a service doesn't know what his service costs, and neither does the person buying it. It should baffle no one that health care has become expensive.
Last edited by Neomalthusian; 07-01-12 at 02:40 PM.
And liberals don't see it as theft if it's done through a government taxation and redistribution mechanism. If you take $7,000 from someone, that's a huge theft. The DHHS cost over $1 Trillion in 2012, which averages to about $7,000 per working citizen, however this is not seen as theft. It's, I don't know, what do they call it, "the cost of living in a civilized society" or some **** like that, which is a last refuge defense of any conceivable abuse.
Last edited by Neomalthusian; 07-01-12 at 02:55 PM.
People fail to realise that more people will go to the doctor if they are forced to pay for insurance, even for things that otherwise they wouldn't go for.
I personally don't have insurance, if I would have had it when an artillery shell from a firework hit me in the leg you can bet would have went to the doctor. Or when I sliced my hand open on a rusty object, an aluminum broom to be exact. Instead i treated both these injuries myself, I admit I was very worried about my leg haha, you could see the fat and muscles, it took 2 months for the wound to close up without stitches.
I understand that people want affordable healthcare, The Affordable Healthcare Act will not reach the goal it is trying to achieve, no matter the good intention of it.
Last edited by LibertyBurns; 07-01-12 at 02:53 PM.
It's none of the above, it's a commodity, plain and simple. If it were a right it would simply exist, this is not the case in that if every doctor just said screw it and closed shop it would no longer be a viable option(hypothetical). If it were a priveledge it would contextually be only for those who can truly afford it, however we have options beyond 100% out of pocket and laws mandating emergency care so that's out of the door. If it were a responsibility then it would dictate that you have a moral obligation to keep yourself fit, healthy, and engage in the activity......I firmly believe we have the right to forgo treatment for any given reason, some may see it as selfish, not our call. With all of the above it can only be "other", a commodity to be sought out at the best value we can obtain if we so choose.
Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.
Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.